DeezNutz
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No worries. And if you do decide to go on TRT, you can definitely do a cycle or do blasts. Just wanna make sure you leave enough time before your next round of blood work so your doc doesn't get suspicious
MESO-Rx
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HIGHLY UNLIKELY a tumor because of your LH and FSH ranges. Mine were - numbers so they did an MRI. Came back negative.
I asked for thyroid to be checked (suffering low energy levels and worse body composition that I feel I should have with my diet and training dedication).
Here is what I got:
TSH 2.610 uIU/mL (ref 0.450-4.500)
I assumed this is thyroid stimulating hormone. I am ignorant regarding the thyroid and have not gotten to anything on it yet in my reading other than it effects body comp and energy levels.
DeezNutz
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TSH is used for diagnosis of hypopituitary, NOT to diagnose hypothyroidism (unless it’s high).To find out if you are hypothyroid you will need to check the following:
- Free T3 & Free T4
- Reverse T3
- Thyroid Antibodies: anti-TPO and TgAb
DeezNutz
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Oh and there is a new reference range for TSH. Your doctor should be aware of this!!! The new range is 0.3 to 3.0 (LINK)
Awesome info, thank you very much. I am learning so much these past few weeks. but each new thing I learn, the more disappointed and frustrated I get regarding my health care professionals.
It may get a bit pricey and so I will just have to save and sacrifice if it comes down to paying cash for all my own testing but if after asking the doc, and looking for another doc I still don;t have answers and options, I will just get my own testing now that I am understanding it all much more.
I found these along my research:
http://www.directlabs.com/Default.aspx?&catid=87&language=en-US&tabid=55
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?category=14&view=category_result
Your levels are honestly dogshit, unfortunately. According to http://www.menshormonalhealth.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html your levels fall below the age 85-100 diabetic range. With my experience with doctors, including endocrinologists, and hormonal ranges, is that a lot of them don't know jack shit and are being way over paid. All they can do is read in between a range, and if you fall into that range, you're A-OK. Get yourself a new doctor who can actually analyze lab results and not just be a mindless drone who looks for "ranges" without any care to what optimal levels should be for certain individuals.
HuckingFuge
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Testosterone is produced in the Testicles and a little bit in the Adrenal gland, not in the pituitary.
if it took you a year to get an Endo to prescribe you Test. that means the Endo's are not up to date on TRT or HRT. piss on Endocrinologists. I would go to a rejuvenation clinic that specialize in HRT and TRT.
Northern, I agree. I put some on ice before starting TRT.
However, I run HCG every 4 months (or so) for a month or two in an attempt to keep the boys in the game, incase I decide to have kids someday.
According to my Doc/ ultra close personal friend, all of his patients on TRT run high-ish doses of HCG for a month or two while trying to conceive, and most have spectacular results. Although I have no studies to support these claims (there may be some, somewhere), these results have been observed by an MD with over 25 years of experience.
If you're gyno prone (as I am), have your doc prescribe you some amoxifen or adex (and run your bloods every 4-6 weeks).
As far as the gel, I've run it, and thought it was total crap.
After weeks of reading and research everyday for many hours, I have decided that I am ready to cruise (on TRT) with occasional Blasts.
This has been the most informative and helpful, honest board... I found some good sources of supplies and sources but no one pushed any products, sources, or sites and that is appreciated. People offered balances advice which shows both the positive as well as the negatives regarding choices and sources and that is also appreciated. I spent most of my time here and will stay here as my main online community.
Update on my situation with the Endo:
I am scheduled to go in tomorrow for more blood work for test levels. And again next week. He stated that if the both upcoming tests demonstrate a consistent deficiency he would prescribe TRT and (I called to confirm) it would be covered by my insurance.
Now I just hope the results are the same as the first test my PCP gave and then 2nd test the Endo gave (results in the first post here). IF those are the number again then I will get legitimate TRT.
This has been the most informative and helpful, honest board... I found some good sources of supplies and sources but no one pushed any products, sources, or sites and that is appreciated. People offered balances advice which shows both the positive as well as the negatives regarding choices and sources and that is also appreciated. I spent most of my time here and will stay here as my main online community.
Update on my situation with the Endo:
I am scheduled to go in tomorrow for more blood work for test levels. And again next week. He stated that if the both upcoming tests demonstrate a consistent deficiency he would prescribe TRT and (I called to confirm) it would be covered by my insurance.
Now I just hope the results are the same as the first test my PCP gave and then 2nd test the Endo gave (results in the first post here). IF those are the number again then I will get legitimate TRT.
HuckingFuge
New Member
nice
Congrats! I hope that works best for you.
DeezNutz
New Member
Good luck. Let us know how things go
Got the results back. Four separate blood works in all. Every test showed the same and lower than the first one I had posted.
Endo approved of TRT.
He turned away from me and started writing and said,
"ok, we will be using androgel..."
I interrupted and said I had a few things I wanted to talk about first. He did not even look up at me. So I started asking things.
I mentioned my GF is not comfortable with the gel or having it around her or her daughter.
He got mad and told me,
"don't make important medical decisions based on others..."
Then I said, I live with her and I have to make sure others are also comfortable--It is not only me in question here.
He went off on a fit an actually got visible upset.
after some time he said,
"fine, do you want to have to come here and get huge shots with a big needle every twp weeks? the gel is so much superior and easy. less sides, easy to use, but if you insist upon injections you will have issues with spikes and lows, and a lot of sides such as testicular atrophy and the gel would have none of these issues."
I asked, why not just give the shots in a lesser quantity but more often to eliminate the spikes and lows? I brought a folder with peer reviewed publications that included the pharmaceutics of test cypionate. I also brought some patent info I found on various TRT products which showed half lives. I explained that with a 100mg dose weekly I would avoid the spike seen with the 200mg dose, and with a weekly shot I could avoid the lows seen at the end of the second week time interval.
The endo said,
"you would have to do your own shots that way. You need to have someone that know how to do them be with you and show you how."
I said,
"My GF is a nurse and knows how, it would be no problem." (I made that up because I did not want to have to come in every other week to see him--I just responded and didn't have time to think about it).
He said, annoyed and upset,
"fine, but it not the best option and you will hate having to get shots with a 22g needle in your thigh every week."
I asked,
"since it is a small volume, could I do subcutaneous?"
He shouted,
"NO, it must be IM only. Walmart? is that right for you pharmacy still? I will fax over a script for 10 ml test cyp and one refill. Tell receptionist you need bloodwork in 6 weeks and an appointment to evaluate treatment in 7 weeks."
and he walked out.
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I confirmed the script is at my local walmart
and a script for huge 22g 1.5" syringes (I think he is trying to deter me???).
but unfortunately my insurance only covers test P and test Undecanoate (Aveed).
No way my doc will go for test P since he was already very upset with the idea of a shot once a week. After research, I am not even going to mention the Aveed because it would be a 3 to 4 ml shot every couple months and I am not interested in that long of a half-life or that large of a volume depot.
Looks like I will just have to pay cash for legit pharmacy test cyp and that is a win in my opinion. I will look for a good source for extra for blasts but at least my much needed TRT was finally approved by my doc.
Sadly, he was so uncomfortable already that I did not ask about and AI of HCG--I didn't want to ruin the progress I had already got.
thanks again MESO, and I will be happy to anwser any questions here. For my own future concerns or questions, if I have any I will be making a new thread in the men's health TRT section.
Endo approved of TRT.
He turned away from me and started writing and said,
"ok, we will be using androgel..."
I interrupted and said I had a few things I wanted to talk about first. He did not even look up at me. So I started asking things.
I mentioned my GF is not comfortable with the gel or having it around her or her daughter.
He got mad and told me,
"don't make important medical decisions based on others..."
Then I said, I live with her and I have to make sure others are also comfortable--It is not only me in question here.
He went off on a fit an actually got visible upset.
after some time he said,
"fine, do you want to have to come here and get huge shots with a big needle every twp weeks? the gel is so much superior and easy. less sides, easy to use, but if you insist upon injections you will have issues with spikes and lows, and a lot of sides such as testicular atrophy and the gel would have none of these issues."
I asked, why not just give the shots in a lesser quantity but more often to eliminate the spikes and lows? I brought a folder with peer reviewed publications that included the pharmaceutics of test cypionate. I also brought some patent info I found on various TRT products which showed half lives. I explained that with a 100mg dose weekly I would avoid the spike seen with the 200mg dose, and with a weekly shot I could avoid the lows seen at the end of the second week time interval.
The endo said,
"you would have to do your own shots that way. You need to have someone that know how to do them be with you and show you how."
I said,
"My GF is a nurse and knows how, it would be no problem." (I made that up because I did not want to have to come in every other week to see him--I just responded and didn't have time to think about it).
He said, annoyed and upset,
"fine, but it not the best option and you will hate having to get shots with a 22g needle in your thigh every week."
I asked,
"since it is a small volume, could I do subcutaneous?"
He shouted,
"NO, it must be IM only. Walmart? is that right for you pharmacy still? I will fax over a script for 10 ml test cyp and one refill. Tell receptionist you need bloodwork in 6 weeks and an appointment to evaluate treatment in 7 weeks."
and he walked out.
----------------------------------
I confirmed the script is at my local walmart
and a script for huge 22g 1.5" syringes (I think he is trying to deter me???).but unfortunately my insurance only covers test P and test Undecanoate (Aveed).
No way my doc will go for test P since he was already very upset with the idea of a shot once a week. After research, I am not even going to mention the Aveed because it would be a 3 to 4 ml shot every couple months and I am not interested in that long of a half-life or that large of a volume depot.
Looks like I will just have to pay cash for legit pharmacy test cyp and that is a win in my opinion. I will look for a good source for extra for blasts but at least my much needed TRT was finally approved by my doc.
Sadly, he was so uncomfortable already that I did not ask about and AI of HCG--I didn't want to ruin the progress I had already got.
thanks again MESO, and I will be happy to anwser any questions here. For my own future concerns or questions, if I have any I will be making a new thread in the men's health TRT section.
A-a-Ron
New Member
Remember you are your doctor's boss and not the other way around. If your doctor does not listen and work with you , fire his ass. It sounds like this one is reluctant, but at least he gave in. Maybe you can educate him if you stay with him. Good luck!Got the results back. Four separate blood works in all. Every test showed the same and lower than the first one I had posted.
Endo approved of TRT.
He turned away from me and started writing and said,
"ok, we will be using androgel..."
I interrupted and said I had a few things I wanted to talk about first. He did not even look up at me. So I started asking things.
I mentioned my GF is not comfortable with the gel or having it around her or her daughter.
He got mad and told me,
"don't make important medical decisions based on others..."
Then I said, I live with her and I have to make sure others are also comfortable--It is not only me in question here.
He went off on a fit an actually got visible upset.
after some time he said,
"fine, do you want to have to come here and get huge shots with a big needle every twp weeks? the gel is so much superior and easy. less sides, easy to use, but if you insist upon injections you will have issues with spikes and lows, and a lot of sides such as testicular atrophy and the gel would have none of these issues."
I asked, why not just give the shots in a lesser quantity but more often to eliminate the spikes and lows? I brought a folder with peer reviewed publications that included the pharmaceutics of test cypionate. I also brought some patent info I found on various TRT products which showed half lives. I explained that with a 100mg dose weekly I would avoid the spike seen with the 200mg dose, and with a weekly shot I could avoid the lows seen at the end of the second week time interval.
The endo said,
"you would have to do your own shots that way. You need to have someone that know how to do them be with you and show you how."
I said,
"My GF is a nurse and knows how, it would be no problem." (I made that up because I did not want to have to come in every other week to see him--I just responded and didn't have time to think about it).
He said, annoyed and upset,
"fine, but it not the best option and you will hate having to get shots with a 22g needle in your thigh every week."
I asked,
"since it is a small volume, could I do subcutaneous?"
He shouted,
"NO, it must be IM only. Walmart? is that right for you pharmacy still? I will fax over a script for 10 ml test cyp and one refill. Tell receptionist you need bloodwork in 6 weeks and an appointment to evaluate treatment in 7 weeks."
and he walked out.
----------------------------------
I confirmed the script is at my local walmart
but unfortunately my insurance only covers test P and test Undecanoate (Aveed).
No way my doc will go for test P since he was already very upset with the idea of a shot once a week. After research, I am not even going to mention the Aveed because it would be a 3 to 4 ml shot every couple months and I am not interested in that long of a half-life or that large of a volume depot.
Looks like I will just have to pay cash for legit pharmacy test cyp and that is a win in my opinion. I will look for a good source for extra for blasts but at least my much needed TRT was finally approved by my doc.
Sadly, he was so uncomfortable already that I did not ask about and AI of HCG--I didn't want to ruin the progress I had already got.
thanks again MESO, and I will be happy to anwser any questions here. For my own future concerns or questions, if I have any I will be making a new thread in the men's health TRT section.
yes, I understand and agree. He is very old, seems pissed off starting right when he even walks into the room (nothing personal toward me, just an unhappy guy), and just not very interested in me as an individual (just gives the standard generic responses to everyone is my guess).
I will be calling around to find options on another doctor as many have suggested. Problem is insurance and referrals--this is the specialist my PCP refers people too and the one my insurance therefore covered.
I am off to a good start at least with having a test script, and I will look for other options since I would feel better having someone discus side effects, my preferences, AIs and possible use of HCG.
HuckingFuge
New Member
Gratz! 
DeezNutz
New Member
If you're gonna pay out of pocket of your test script, check out GoodRx.com..They have coupons you can print out to get 10ml of test C for $40ish bucks
Got the results back. Four separate blood works in all. Every test showed the same and lower than the first one I had posted.
Endo approved of TRT.
He turned away from me and started writing and said,
"ok, we will be using androgel..."
I interrupted and said I had a few things I wanted to talk about first. He did not even look up at me. So I started asking things.
I mentioned my GF is not comfortable with the gel or having it around her or her daughter.
He got mad and told me,
"don't make important medical decisions based on others..."
Then I said, I live with her and I have to make sure others are also comfortable--It is not only me in question here.
He went off on a fit an actually got visible upset.
after some time he said,
"fine, do you want to have to come here and get huge shots with a big needle every twp weeks? the gel is so much superior and easy. less sides, easy to use, but if you insist upon injections you will have issues with spikes and lows, and a lot of sides such as testicular atrophy and the gel would have none of these issues."
I asked, why not just give the shots in a lesser quantity but more often to eliminate the spikes and lows? I brought a folder with peer reviewed publications that included the pharmaceutics of test cypionate. I also brought some patent info I found on various TRT products which showed half lives. I explained that with a 100mg dose weekly I would avoid the spike seen with the 200mg dose, and with a weekly shot I could avoid the lows seen at the end of the second week time interval.
The endo said,
"you would have to do your own shots that way. You need to have someone that know how to do them be with you and show you how."
I said,
"My GF is a nurse and knows how, it would be no problem." (I made that up because I did not want to have to come in every other week to see him--I just responded and didn't have time to think about it).
He said, annoyed and upset,
"fine, but it not the best option and you will hate having to get shots with a 22g needle in your thigh every week."
I asked,
"since it is a small volume, could I do subcutaneous?"
He shouted,
"NO, it must be IM only. Walmart? is that right for you pharmacy still? I will fax over a script for 10 ml test cyp and one refill. Tell receptionist you need bloodwork in 6 weeks and an appointment to evaluate treatment in 7 weeks."
and he walked out.
----------------------------------
I confirmed the script is at my local walmart
but unfortunately my insurance only covers test P and test Undecanoate (Aveed).
No way my doc will go for test P since he was already very upset with the idea of a shot once a week. After research, I am not even going to mention the Aveed because it would be a 3 to 4 ml shot every couple months and I am not interested in that long of a half-life or that large of a volume depot.
Looks like I will just have to pay cash for legit pharmacy test cyp and that is a win in my opinion. I will look for a good source for extra for blasts but at least my much needed TRT was finally approved by my doc.
Sadly, he was so uncomfortable already that I did not ask about and AI of HCG--I didn't want to ruin the progress I had already got.
thanks again MESO, and I will be happy to anwser any questions here. For my own future concerns or questions, if I have any I will be making a new thread in the men's health TRT section.
Lol at the 22g move, what a dick. Just order some pins from GPZ and you're good to go.
