Need Ai/Estrogen advice

[Massivekaos]

okay so I'm about to give up on my struggles with preventing gyno lol.

Back story very sensitive have had issues in the past on every cycle even my first and I can basically grow marbles on ont 250mg of test even with a small amount of ai.
Purposely suffered through three months of low ass estrogen due to letro and ran Ralox as well but finally got it to the point where nipples were perfect and never looked Like I had any with 100% gone in the left and 90% in the Right.

Started my blast (was cruising on 250mg) for my contest prep while my estrogen was low, been taking 25mg Aromasin ed since day one along with 60mg or Ralox daily with intent of getting labs at 4 week mark (would be 4 weeks in 4 days) see if Aromasin finally will put an end to my troubles (had always done arimidex in past). The last two days tho right nipple is starting to look puffy again and it's clear is coming back.

Blast is 750mg test and not taking any other compounds so it has to be estrogen . At this point I don't know what to do i wanted to hold out to 4 weeks to get labs but if it's getting worse by the day then? And I don't want to add more ai when the goal was to see if 25mg Aromasin would keep me in range? I do have nolvadex but I'm already taking Ralox so adding nolva to 25 ed of Aromasin and 60 of letro would it even matter now? Am I just basically screwed to get gyno no matter what?

 

[SauceBoss]

You need labs bottom line .. if your body is prone to gyno there's not much more you can do than what you're already taking to prevent it

 

[Massivekaos]

Yeah gonna get them drawn tomorrow morning. 3 days early from 4 weeks but whatever. If estrogen is within range guess I just accept it again but I guess the question really was what if it is high? Isn't anymore than 25mg ed of Aromasin kind of diminishing returns or is there still a benefit to moving up even higher?

 

[Ophydian]

Yeah gonna get them drawn tomorrow morning. 3 days early from 4 weeks but whatever. If estrogen is within range guess I just accept it again but I guess the question really was what if it is high? Isn't anymore than 25mg ed of Aromasin kind of diminishing returns or is there still a benefit to moving up even higher?

You could always consider gender reassignment.

 

[SauceBoss]

You could always consider gender reassignment.

Amazing joke brother. You ever look into doing stand up comedy for a living ?

 

[Massivekaos]

You could always consider gender reassignment.

lol I'm most likely way more "masculine" than you.

Have to put the labs off until Monday since I had been taking biotin daily and that messes values up. Just said screw it in the meanwhile and started taking 40 of nolva in addition to everything since the puffyness has stopped. This just sucks since I haven't even started the tren yet that I will have to soon and I'm very close to getting a pro card and have a huge chance of getting it done this show so may have to suck it up anyway

 

[Breakneck]

I'm not saying to take the nolva but it prevents further gyno from attaching on your nipple. It locks out gyno from happening. You're already in the mix of it but it can get worse though.

What I've always heard is you take the nolva, get bloods done and if high estrogen take the Aromasin etc while the nolva blocks it from further advancing.

This would get your estrogen in check eventually and you can stop the nolva and keep taking the ai. Afterwards I've heard of people taking the ralox to reduce the gyno after cycle.

 

[Massivekaos]

I'm not saying to take the nolva but it prevents further gyno from attaching on your nipple. It locks out gyno from happening. You're already in the mix of it but it can get worse though.

What I've always heard is you take the nolva, get bloods done and if high estrogen take the Aromasin etc while the nolva blocks it from further advancing.

This would get your estrogen in check eventually and you can stop the nolva and keep taking the ai. Afterwards I've heard of people taking the ralox to reduce the gyno after cycle.

i was just under the impression that Ralph and Nolva worked the same way even on cycle so I was using Ralox since I do take growth and that negatively affects igf1 less than nolva. Will leave the nolva in and continue taking the ralox along with the 25mg of Aromasin I’ve been taking ed and see what the lab results say.

Any suggestions for if it’s high tho? I don’t see what I can do more than 25 ed with the understanding that anymore than that if Aromasin is diminishing returns and not doing much more? I don’t mind going even higher I can afford it but it’s just wtf that even that amount isn’t cutting it.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

lol I'm most likely way more "masculine" than you.

Have to put the labs off until Monday since I had been taking biotin daily and that messes values up. Just said screw it in the meanwhile and started taking 40 of nolva in addition to everything since the puffyness has stopped. This just sucks since I haven't even started the tren yet that I will have to soon and I'm very close to getting a pro card and have a huge chance of getting it done this show so may have to suck it up anyway

Brother, it’s a serious matter your dealing with; nobody would wish this upon themselves. I think it’s clear that you need to keep aromatizing compounds at the lowest dose possable. If all you body requires is 150 mg of Test, for instance, so be it. That’s why there are so many other compounds to pick from , such and Primo or Mast even Tren. Plane your cycles better, study each compound and under how the work, how they after one another when stacked, what sides and how to manage them. You have to realize, ancillary drugs are not you best friend. They too have side effects. Some very bad. So be careful. Gyno you can always cut way. The other things that happen...life changing.

 

[Massivekaos]

Brother, it’s a serious matter your dealing with; nobody would wish this upon themselves. I think it’s clear that you need to keep aromatizing compounds at the lowest dose possable. If all you body requires is 150 mg of Test, for instance, so be it. That’s why there are so many other compounds to pick from , such and Primo or Mast even Tren. Plane your cycles better, study each compound and under how the work, how they after one another when stacked, what sides and how to manage them. You have to realize, ancillary drugs are not you best friend. They too have side effects. Some very bad. So be careful. Gyno you can always cut way. The other things that happen...life changing.

Yes I am well aware of health which is why I only run test for the majority of my cycles. Come on you can’t mention health and then instead ask me to run more tren or winny (aka the lipid panel destroyer) instead which are worse? There’s a reason I never run tren unless it’s a competition and even then I’ll only use it the last 4 weeks only at 50 mg eod. Ais are harmful if your estrogen is floored because of them but this clearly isn’t that situation right now and high estrogen is obviously not healthy either. My test dose is nothing significant especially for someone competing at the national level and my health markers have consistently been in check (and I’m one of those wierd people who get them
Checked too frequently every 4 weeks since I work in the medical field).

But anyway as I said I’d esteogen is in range I’ll just except what Happens. The question I’m wanting help with is what to do if still high. I’d rather not go down the letro road. It doesn’t seem possible that Aromasin or arimidex have both been unable to deal with this

 

[Morefyah]

Why are you running 750mg of Test right after spending all that time and money running AI’s and Ralox to rid your gyno?
There is a very simple solution and it’s not upping or switching your AI, or running nolva or Ralox on cycle. Yes bloodwork is important but it’s not going to help your gyno.
DROP THAT TEST DOSE! This is the first step to alleviate your issues., lol and it’s also the cheapest and simplest solution.

 

[Massivekaos]

Why are you running 750mg of Test right after spending all that time and money running AI’s and Ralox to rid your gyno?
There is a very simple solution and it’s not upping or switching your AI, or running nolva or Ralox on cycle. Yes bloodwork is important but it’s not going to help your gyno.
DROP THAT TEST DOSE! This is the first step to alleviate your issues., lol and it’s also the cheapest and simplest solution.

im in the middle of prep for a national show that I already put a lot of time and effort in being ready for that’s not an option for me. The point for me is to dial in my ai at that dose as that’s the dose I’ve found to be able to gain muscle consistently without ever needing to go up and also cut heavily while maintaining all size and fullness

 

[Morefyah]

im in the middle of prep for a national show that I already put a lot of time and effort in being ready for that’s not an option for me. The point for me is to dial in my ai at that dose as that’s the dose I’ve found to be able to gain muscle consistently without ever needing to go up and also cut heavily while maintaining all size and fullness

Well if your health and threat of growing tits is less important then a prep for a national show then do what you gotta do.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Yes I am well aware of health which is why I only run test for the majority of my cycles. Come on you can’t mention health and then instead ask me to run more tren or winny (aka the lipid panel destroyer) instead which are worse? There’s a reason I never run tren unless it’s a competition and even then I’ll only use it the last 4 weeks only at 50 mg eod. Ais are harmful if your estrogen is floored because of them but this clearly isn’t that situation right now and high estrogen is obviously not healthy either. My test dose is nothing significant especially for someone competing at the national level and my health markers have consistently been in check (and I’m one of those wierd people who get them
Checked too frequently every 4 weeks since I work in the medical field).

But anyway as I said I’d esteogen is in range I’ll just except what Happens. The question I’m wanting help with is what to do if still high. I’d rather not go down the letro road. It doesn’t seem possible that Aromasin or arimidex have both been unable to deal with this

I mentioned health to show empathy support. You read everything I wrote and yet you got stuck on the fact that said “...even Tren”. Since you’re at the national level one would assume you would know how, when and how much to run Tren without risking sides. As far as it being a “lipid panel destroyer” maybe for the general population but not each and every individual...assuming one knows and understands what they are doing.

You think AI’s are harmful only because they might “floor” your E2? I think you’re over simpling things, probably because your frustrated and I can understand that, but I believe you know better than that.

When people ask for help, they should be humble, not arrogant. But this is not a perfect world, and you are living proff of that.

Your last paragraph makes no sense. You said”if estrogen is in range I’ll just except what happens”. Umm, if it’s in range..WTF do you expect to happen?!

What to do if it’s still high? You don’t know? You don’t know anyone at the nation level you could ask? Maybe you do and they won’t tell you shit cause your know it all attitude?

Good luck to you.

 

[Massivekaos]

I mentioned health to show empathy support. You read everything I wrote and yet you got stuck on the fact that said “...even Tren”. Since you’re at the national level one would assume you would know how, when and how much to run Tren without risking sides. As far as it being a “lipid panel destroyer” maybe for the general population but not each and every individual...assuming one knows and understands what they are doing.

You think AI’s are harmful only because they might “floor” your E2? I think you’re over simpling things, probably because your frustrated and I can understand that, but I believe you know better than that.

When people ask for help, they should be humble, not arrogant. But this is not a perfect world, and you are living proff of that.

Your last paragraph makes no sense. You said”if estrogen is in range I’ll just except what happens”. Umm, if it’s in range..WTF do you expect to happen?!

What to do if it’s still high? You don’t know? You don’t know anyone at the nation level you could ask? Maybe you do and they won’t tell you shit cause your know it all attitude?

Good luck to you.

your post still ignores the original question of the topic. The point of the topic was basically to ask if there’s any point or benefit to running for than 25mg aromasin or would I need to go to letro which has kept it in range at that dose every time but letro ia obviously “not healthy” compared to something like aromasin that doesn’t negatively affect lipids but everyone wants to ignore the point of the topic so be it

 

[Massivekaos]

Well if your health and threat of growing tits is less important then a prep for a national show then do what you gotta do.

I’m not sure how gyno means I’m risking my health. When I do everything by the book with constant checkups to keep health in check. 99% of the people who do this have some amount of gyno I’m sorry I just wanted to try to avoid it at all costs. But not stopping a cycle because of gyno means I don’t care about my health okay.

 

[Jankauskas]

From what I have been searching, maybe you should up your serm dose instead of ai. Run max dose ralox, if it doesn’t work try nolva? Just a suggestion...

 

[Morefyah]

I’m not sure how gyno means I’m risking my health. When I do everything by the book with constant checkups to keep health in check. 99% of the people who do this have some amount of gyno I’m sorry I just wanted to try to avoid it at all costs. But not stopping a cycle because of gyno means I don’t care about my health okay.

I never said that you should end your cycle.
I simply suggested you lower your test dose.
Your the one that insisted that your were unable to grow unless you were specifically taking 750 mg of test. My suggestion was a temporary fix to your problem. Continuing on that dose of test with a gyno flare will be like chasing the dragon! Adding more and more drugs to treat an issue that can be mitigated by taking less drugs. Get it?

 

[TheBeat]

Like others have said- get labs, but try to get a hormone panel showing free test, dht, prog, estrogen. Raloxifene or Tamoxifen are going to be your best bet along with an AI for now. Since you've been using Raloxifene, maybe try tamoxifen at 40mg.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

your post still ignores the original question of the topic. The point of the topic was basically to ask if there’s any point or benefit to running for than 25mg aromasin or would I need to go to letro which has kept it in range at that dose every time but letro ia obviously “not healthy” compared to something like aromasin that doesn’t negatively affect lipids but everyone wants to ignore the point of the topic so be it

I found a report on Google with a link to a pdf pulled from the fda.gov database. The follomg might be of interest, but you will have to read the 13 page report in its entirety for yourself and make a decision.
Anyway, here you go. Hope this helps:

“Clinical trials have been conducted with exemestane given as a single dose to healthy female volunteers at doses as high as 800 mg and daily for 12 weeks to postmenopausal women with advanced breast cancer at doses as high as 600 mg. These dosages were well tolerated. There is no specific antidote to overdosage and treatment must be symptomatic. General supportive care, including frequent monitoring of vital signs and close observation of the patient, is indicated.”