Need some guidance

[Heavy Iron]

I know "time on = time off" is bullshit. I now know pre/mid/post bloodwork is essential to knowing when my body is restored to its natural state and that im good to go with another run.

With that being said i am about to finish up pct on a simple 12 week testE cycle... but never had bloodwork done... should i get bloodwork when i finish pct and wait a bit and get bloods again (lets say 12 weeks) and compare? Thanks in advance for any suggestions/opinions

 

[RThoads]

I would get bloods asap to make sure your RBC/HCT and other important health markers are good. IF they are not, then you can take action immediately -- why wait.

Then, again a couple weeks after PCT to see how you recovered and how you are doing in general.

 

[Sk8man101]

Why have you never gotten bloods before?

How is taking the appropriate time off "bullshit"?

How will you know your body has fully recovered without precycle bloods to compare them too?

Damn I'm asking some good questions today.

 

[Heavy Iron]

How is taking the appropriate time off "bullshit"?

I mean it in a sense that it shouldnt be the ONLY guideline. This was only my 3rd cycle so im still new to this.

Lol i never got bloods before because i was a dumbass. I was never educated on it and didnt take it as serious as i should have. And idk when its recovered... thats why i need help.

 

[Wood4days]

Why have you never gotten bloods before?

How is taking the appropriate time off "bullshit"?

How will you know your body has fully recovered without precycle bloods to compare them too?

Damn I'm asking some good questions today.

Damn, I thought all you need to do is measure your balls after PCT. Small balls = bad. Big balls = good. [emoji23] [emoji24]

 

[RThoads]

Damn, I thought all you need to do is measure your balls after PCT. Small balls = bad. Big balls = good. [emoji23] [emoji24]

lol but you would need pre-cycle ball measurements to know for sure

 

[Sk8man101]

I mean it in a sense that it shouldnt be the ONLY guideline. This was only my 3rd cycle so im still new to this.

Lol i never got bloods before because i was a dumbass. I was never educated on it and didnt take it as serious as i should have. And idk when its recovered... thats why i need help.

There are reasons for your time off man. Everyone takes a considerable amount of time off, even those that B&C.

Shit I wish I could blast a gram of test every week for the rest of my life but that just ain't how this stuff works.

 

[Heavy Iron]

lol but you would need pre-cycle ball measurements to know for sure

Mid cycle: Small balls
source is gtg... haha

 

[Sk8man101]

lol but you would need pre-cycle ball measurements to know for sure

Hahaha I read a thread once about a guy who was using his drug dealers scale to weigh his balls every day and he was using that to judge his pct success.

Edit: his drug dealer didn't know lol

 

[RThoads]

Hahaha I read a thread once about a guy who was using his drug dealers scale to weigh his balls every day and he was using that to judge his pct success.

No fcking way! hahahaha that is too much , wow

 

[Sk8man101]

Mid cycle: Small balls
source is gtg... haha

I've never experienced atrophy on cycle..

 

[Heavy Iron]

There are reasons for your time off man. Everyone takes a considerable amount of time off, even the B&Cers.

Shit I wish I could blast a gram of test every week for the rest of my life but that just ain't how this stuff works.

Yeah man i understand....just kinda sucks not knowing what my natty levels are. i fucked up.

i know everyone has different natty levels... but there is a broad "normal" range right? (dumb question)

 

[Sk8man101]

No fcking way! hahahaha that is too much , wow

Beleive or not it was kind of working, it was the funniest fuckin thing man.

 

[Sk8man101]

Yeah man i understand....just kinda sucks not knowing what my natty levels are. i fucked up.

i know everyone has different natty levels... but there is a broad "normal" range right? (dumb question)

The only dumb questions are those that are not asked man.

Yes so for example for my age the normal is like 300-1100.
Not much help unless you are way under or way over.

Say your natty levels were 800 TT (really good) and your levels post cycle are 400 TT (normal for many). You would assume nothing is wrong but in reality your running on half your usual levels and your about start another cycle earlier than most would recommend? Risky business, but all this shit has some risk vs reward.

Bloods will help guide you.
@RThoads had some good input^

 

[bickel29]

Hahaha I read a thread once about a guy who was using his drug dealers scale to weigh his balls every day and he was using that to judge his pct success.

I can only guess that said scale user misunderstood his drug dealer, when his dealer said "I use this scale for ALL of my orals"?

 

[Heavy Iron]

The only dumb questions are those that are not asked man.

Yes so for example for my age the normal is like 300-1100.
Not much help unless you are way under or way over.

Say your natty levels were 800 TT (really good) and your levels post cycle are 400 TT (normal for many). You would assume nothing is wrong but in reality your running on half your usual levels and your about start another cycle earlier than most would recommend? Risky business, but all this shit has some risk vs reward.

Bloods will help guide you.
@RThoads had some good input^

Okay. I have 5 days left on pct so i will get bloods right as it ends and see whats up and post em here. Thanks man.

 

[Sk8man101]

Okay. I have 5 days left on pct so i will get bloods right as it ends and see whats up and post em here. Thanks man.

I think dr scally and dr Jim would recommend waiting 4-6 more weeks, but for the reasons rthoads stated I don't see how it could hurt seeing where you are at.

 

[Heavy Iron]

I think dr scally and dr Jim would recommend waiting 4-6 more weeks, but for the reasons rthoads stated I don't see how it could hurt seeing where you are at.

Yeah i think it would make sense getting some now and again in about 6 weeks. (thats where i was getting the time on/time off thing).

 

[Wood4days]

lol but you would need pre-cycle ball measurements to know for sure

I start with the shot cup and work my way up to the whiskey glass and then a wine glass. Soak your balls in warm to extremely hot boiling water. Let it set in for 5min. If your balls don't grow to at least whiskey glass size, restart PCT. [emoji85]

 

[master.on]

I know "time on = time off" is bullshit. I now know pre/mid/post bloodwork is essential to knowing when my body is restored to its natural state and that im good to go with another run.

With that being said i am about to finish up pct on a simple 12 week testE cycle... but never had bloodwork done... should i get bloodwork when i finish pct and wait a bit and get bloods again (lets say 12 weeks) and compare? Thanks in advance for any suggestions/opinions

You don't mention using HCG on-cycle

So you could get 2 blood tests
1 Use a little HCG, something like 250 or 500 IU 2x/week, plus a little Aromatase Inhibitor for 4 weeks, retest at week 4
HCG should have raised your natural Test levels already (also check for excess Estradiol from HCG)

2 Switch from HCG to SERMs
IMO Nolva is better than Clomid
for 4 weeks
retest at week 4: Test, Estradiol, LH, FSH
Natural Test should stay at healthy levels as in #1 you determined your testicles are still working OK, and SERMs allowed the pituitary to make LH/FSH again.