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[turtleshell]

Yea man it really is. Same goes for tbol, winny and any other oral Ive taken. His winny kicked in great by day 3. I still have about 300 to 400 tabs left of those.

I started a thread under new member, maybe you may have some input? I shouldn't be too hard to find. I really want to try something different. Not desperate but willing to try aas. If it doesn't work out, hopefully the risk to gain ratio can benefit me without me injuring myself. Maybe i just need a website that can educate me and i may need to postpone my cycle until i'm more educated.

 

[Ozzy619]

I started a thread under new member, maybe you may have some input? I shouldn't be too hard to find. I really want to try something different. Not desperate but willing to try aas. If it doesn't work out, hopefully the risk to gain ratio can benefit me without me injuring myself. Maybe i just need a website that can educate me and i may need to postpone my cycle until i'm more educated.

Thats whats meso is for. Theres some guys that can be dicks, myself sometimes too, but just blow them off and keep asking questions. We get tired of hearing the same old shit but we all started somewhere. Aas are only 5% of the game, diet and training is where its at.

 

[turtleshell]

Thats whats meso is for. Theres some guys that can be dicks, myself sometimes too, but just blow them off and keep asking questions. We get tired of hearing the same old shit but we all started somewhere. Aas are only 5% of the game, diet and training is where its at.

Oh boy, diet and training is the other 95%. Looking at these NFL players and mark meguire and sosa. Those guys didn't break records until aas. So 5% seems to be a huge margin between average and phenomenal.

 

[korat]

Oh boy, diet and training is the other 95%. Looking at these NFL players and mark meguire and sosa. Those guys didn't break records until aas. So 5% seems to be a huge margin between average and phenomenal.

Actually that 5% isn't a huge margin. AAS will not work if you don't have the proper nutrition. As far as training that is sport specific. Most of these guys are exceptionally talented before AAS, and that 5% puts you way over the top

 

[turtleshell]

Armidex is used for on cycle. Clomid and nova for pct. You need to do some more research before jumping into this. Test is a great 1 cycle to start. You don't know how your body is going to react to different compounds. What would you do if you started getting gyno? Secondly, how old are you? Lastlty, if you are asking about dosing on ml and don't know how to measure you should be doing a lot more research. Not being a dick just don't want to see you hurt yourself..

I'm 32 by the way

 

[Ozzy619]

Oh boy, diet and training is the other 95%. Looking at these NFL players and mark meguire and sosa. Those guys didn't break records until aas. So 5% seems to be a huge margin between average and phenomenal.

Im trying to make a point. Alot of people see aas as a miracle worker but you will only get out what you put in. Those guys already had skill, the aas gave them that edge.

 

[Ozzy619]

Actually that 5% isn't a huge margin. AAS will not work if you don't have the proper nutrition. As far as training that is sport specific. Most of these guys are exceptionally talented before AAS, and that 5% puts you way over the top

You said it better than me

 

[turtleshell]

Actually that 5% isn't a huge margin. AAS will not work if you don't have the proper nutrition. As far as training that is sport specific. Most of these guys are exceptionally talented before AAS, and that 5% puts you way over the top

Wow. I'm not going to lie. This is interesting knowledge. So what does 5% of AAS add to a typical 9 to 5 American worker that just wants to look more athletic. What hump wil AAs get me over if use properly and it works Ideally like how I would like it to work? Just a question. Maybe your insight may enlighten me.

 

[turtleshell]

You said it better than me

Thanks for feedback by the way

 

[turtleshell]

Actually that 5% isn't a huge margin. AAS will not work if you don't have the proper nutrition. As far as training that is sport specific. Most of these guys are exceptionally talented before AAS, and that 5% puts you way over the top

Thanks for feedback by the way...

 

[Ozzy619]

Wow. I'm not going to lie. This is interesting knowledge. So what does 5% of AAS add to a typical 9 to 5 American worker that just wants to look more athletic. What hump wil AAs get me over if use properly and it works Ideally like how I would like it to work? Just a question. Maybe your insight may enlighten me.

Sorry korat but Im sure youre thinking what I am. Turtle, Im going to answer your question with questions. What does your training routine and diet look like? What are your stats, how long have you been training and what are your goals. You want to use aas when you hit plateaus. Most of us here are the typical guy youre talking about, but you will notice this is a lifestyle for us as well.

 

[korat]

Wow. I'm not going to lie. This is interesting knowledge. So what does 5% of AAS add to a typical 9 to 5 American worker that just wants to look more athletic. What hump wil AAs get me over if use properly and it works Ideally like how I would like it to work? Just a question. Maybe your insight may enlighten me.

Like ozzy619 said basically your body goes into overdrive via increased protein synthesis. But that does not occur unless you take in adequate protein and train properly. Don't know your stats, training history, bf%, height weight etc. Too hard to offer advice as OZ said

 

[turtleshell]

Im trying to make a point. Alot of people see aas as a miracle worker but you will only get out what you put in. Those guys already had skill, the aas gave them that edge.

I agree, but I have to admit. Those days of homeruns after homeruns have ended since the league has cracked down on aas and all other extra curriculums that envolved performance enhancers that gave players that edge. Aas isn't a miracle worker but it sure as hell is a record breaker.

 

[Ozzy619]

I agree, but I have to admit. Those days of homeruns after homeruns have ended since the league has cracked down on aas and all other extra curriculums that envolved performance enhancers that gave players that edge. Aas isn't a miracle worker but it sure as hell is a record breaker.

Yea I have to admit I havent watched baseball since that era. Pro players are already at the top of their game so give them aas and theyre going to blow the competition out of the water. If you look at barry bonds you can see how much mass he put on after aas. But I guarantee you he also changed his diet and training routine.

 

[turtleshell]

Like ozzy619 said basically your body goes into overdrive via increased protein synthesis. But that does not occur unless you take in adequate protein and train properly. Don't know your stats, training history, bf%, height weight etc. Too hard to offer advice as OZ said

You guys seem very intellectual. There seems to be a lot of variables besides aas thst i'm not factoring. I'll just have to slow down. I'll take this as a wake up call. If i bring this information up to a close friend they'll just tell me go natural. I've been doing natural since 25. I'm 32 and i seem to need that edge. I honestly feel like aas may get me over that hump. Maybe i'm wrong. Question, for korat. how long have you used aas in your career? I figured one cycle done the right way may not hurt, but sometimes if nkt most of the time curiosity can jam you up.

 

[turtleshell]

Yea I have to admit I havent watched baseball since that era. Pro players are already at the top of their game so give them aas and theyre going to blow the competition out of the water. If you look at barry bonds you can see how much mass he put on after aas. But I guarantee you he also changed his diet and training routine.

I totally agree, aas without diet is insanity. I honestly think serena williams is using performance enhancers. That's why i want to consider it. Really, have you seen her lately. She is dominating the opposing opponents. Sharipova has t been able to keep up. Can you ever be great in modern sports now without that hidden edge? (Aas,Hgh, et cetera )

 

[Mr.B66]

Ive seen many guys over the years use aas and they made little to no gains because their training and diet sucked!
If your gonna commit yourself to this lifestyle you must do exactly that, commit yourself to this lifestyle.
These guys are giving you great info.

 

[korat]

You guys seem very intellectual. There seems to be a lot of variables besides aas thst i'm not factoring. I'll just have to slow down. I'll take this as a wake up call. If i bring this information up to a close friend they'll just tell me go natural. I've been doing natural since 25. I'm 32 and i seem to need that edge. I honestly feel like aas may get me over that hump. Maybe i'm wrong. Question, for korat. how long have you used aas in your career? I figured one cycle done the right way may not hurt, but sometimes if nkt most of the time curiosity can jam you up.

Off and on since '91 with a 5-6 year break in between 19-25. So long enough!

 

[turtleshell]

Off and on since '91 with a 5-6 year break in between 19-25. So long enough!

Yeah you have some experience under your belt? I don't knock your wisdom. I'll have to take it slow. Rome wasn't built in one night. Better to ask then to regret not asking later On.

 

[naturalkon]

Aas is huge, so is genetics. Serena falls into the second category. There are just a lot of things to consider prior to starting this lifestyle. I wish I totally understood all of the risks I was taking by starting down this path. Good luck man.