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[gr8whitetrukker]

Actually I would never being able to buy a mustang or a Camaro due to engine size and gas consumption. so even that is not ok here in Europe. But I do understand how a big truck is nice, but not as a first car. Maybe on the side as a second car.

Probably yeah... It's just a different way of see things especially because of culture and gas price etc.

I like 2seat car so it's hard for me to understand ahaha

Whats the cost of fuel currently?
If you dont mind me asking...

 

[Sampei]

Whats the cost of fuel currently?
If you dont mind me asking...

Lol why would I mind?

It's 1.4 euro/liter make your conversion now because I don't know at all how much that is in gallon/dollars.

But trust me it's a lot more like shit load more. Here we all drive with 1.2 - 1.6 engines. Plenty of 0.8-0.9 engines as well. If you have money you can afford 2.0-3.0 engines but HP are still low. Average of 100 on small cars with most of them around 80. Big cars have 180-240 but we are talking premiums cars.

Sport cars of course have big engines and lots of HP. But not big engines as in USA. If u think that Ferrari engines goes from 3.0 to 4.2 max if I remember correctly and they do one of the nicest sports car around, you do understand that we have a completely different way of building cars.

Americans brands are getting better in the last 10 years in building sport cars, just look at ford with the Mustangs, they improved the handling and performance on a real track by 100% since the old times
Where the only thing you could do with those muscle car was going on a straight line

But still they can't compete with European/Japanese cars if we are talking about super car/sports car.

But I would trade anyday one of my nice European car for one of your muscle car. I mean the sound of those engine is pure porn

I was almost buying a 68' shelby cobra gt, was a piece of beauty to bad the whole insurance/fuel cost would have bought me two more cars lol

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Lol why would I mind?

It's 1.4 euro/liter make your conversion now because I don't know at all how much that is in gallon/dollars.

But trust me it's a lot more like shit load more. Here we all drive with 1.2 - 1.6 engines. Plenty of 0.8-0.9 engines as well. If you have money you can afford 2.0-3.0 engines but HP are still low. Average of 100 on small cars with most of them around 80. Big cars have 180-240 but we are talking premiums cars.

Sport cars of course have big engines and lots of HP. But not big engines as in USA. If u think that Ferrari engines goes from 3.0 to 4.2 max if I remember correctly and they do one of the nicest sports car around, you do understand that we have a completely different way of building cars.

Americans brands are getting better in the last 10 years in building sport cars, just look at ford with the Mustangs, they improved the handling and performance on a real track by 100% since the old times
Where the only thing you could do with those muscle car was going on a straight line

But still they can't compete with European/Japanese cars if we are talking about super car/sports car.

But I would trade anyday one of my nice European car for one of your muscle car. I mean the sound of those engine is pure porn

I was almost buying a 68' shelby cobra gt, was a piece of beauty to bad the whole insurance/fuel cost would have bought me two more cars lol

Around $6 a gallon according to some conversion numbers on Google. Cheaper than I thought actually, I figured $8-10 a gallon.

Insurance on my 63 Nova is actually less than what my daily driver costs. It's covered as an antique car that's only driven a few times a year during warm months. It's less than $200 a year for full coverage.

Fuel cost is another story though, about 8mpg or 3.4kpl according to a conversion calculator. Even with gas here being less than half the cost of over there it still adds up.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Lol why would I mind?

It's 1.4 euro/liter make your conversion now because I don't know at all how much that is in gallon/dollars.

But trust me it's a lot more like shit load more. Here we all drive with 1.2 - 1.6 engines. Plenty of 0.8-0.9 engines as well. If you have money you can afford 2.0-3.0 engines but HP are still low. Average of 100 on small cars with most of them around 80. Big cars have 180-240 but we are talking premiums cars.

Sport cars of course have big engines and lots of HP. But not big engines as in USA. If u think that Ferrari engines goes from 3.0 to 4.2 max if I remember correctly and they do one of the nicest sports car around, you do understand that we have a completely different way of building cars.

Americans brands are getting better in the last 10 years in building sport cars, just look at ford with the Mustangs, they improved the handling and performance on a real track by 100% since the old times
Where the only thing you could do with those muscle car was going on a straight line

But still they can't compete with European/Japanese cars if we are talking about super car/sports car.

But I would trade anyday one of my nice European car for one of your muscle car. I mean the sound of those engine is pure porn

I was almost buying a 68' shelby cobra gt, was a piece of beauty to bad the whole insurance/fuel cost would have bought me two more cars lol

Ferrari and Lamborghini are in different markets. Carefully crafted fine automobiles. Works of art but very limited number made each year. Catered to a very limited demographic. American cars are mass produced but even our super cars are limited.

The corvette is a world beater. Always has been. And goes for a fraction of what an italian or german made model goes for. And made in good ol USA with American wages and American pride. Cadillac boasts the worlds fastest 4 door sedan. I believe it still does to date? The mustang pride isnt just recent its ALWAYS been good. This is what America does. We build overly muscled cars, heavy and loud. Just like us we prefer a brute war hammer to european slash and flare. But again ill put our corvette against any and all comers

And have you seen the dodge hellcat?
That thing gives me a boner


And the kicker? Minus the corvette just about any average middle class american can afford one

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

There's more ford trucks & cars overseas than any other vehicle. Ford has sold more trucks than most companies sell trucks and cars combined

Just saying

get an f150 if you want fullsize...
tacoma crushes it in the midsize...
If you want a drop top sporty ride get a wrangler.

I had an expedition I sold last year. Thing was just a money magnet. Thats why I wanted a tahoe because I lost a little faith in ford

they are different now...buy something 2011 or newer in a Ford and its a different ball game

 

[Sampei]

Well you know it's just different kind of cars

Porsche - Mercedes - Aston - Alfa - lotus - Ferrari - Lamborghini - Nissan - Renault just a few of big brands here in Europe/Japan that does mass production (except lambo - Ferrari ) and sports car as well. I mean Renault for example with the Megane rs few years ago started beating supercar from left to right with a 35k euro car on the nurgburing.

As you well said its just a different way of engineering car. We build car to go fast on a track. That's what most our sports car are made for, from the one costing you 35k to the one that cost Half a milion.

Light, fast cars
Probably if gasoline would cost much less we would have seen different type of cars here as well

I have a love for both type of vehicles the American one and the others.

Probably you would feel great driving a under 2000lbs car with 250-300hp as much as I would love to drive a 7.0 v8 with 400+HP .... Supercharged of course because nothing like the whine of a damn supercharger


Oh and yes I do agree about how almost all your cars are affordable by almost anyone, something that here is not possible at all. Even mid sports car cost lots of money

 

[Gramps]

New = more expensive shit to break. Fucking cameras that don't get the porn channel, automatic ass wiper seats, gps... I made up my mind a long time ago to go backwards rather than forward. It's not for everyone, and not what was asked, but an option I took up was restoring older stuff. Yeah, when a new one breaks down, you have a built in wifi and phone to call your wrecker, log on to your to you bank to open a line of credit for what it's going to cost to fix shit, and all of this from the side of the road provided those doohickies still work while you're shit's broken down. Mine? I can fix it with a roll of duct tape and bailing wire and be on my way before the loan to repair yours is declined due to your over extended credit. And mine still turns heads in a positive sense, rather than the boring new shit.

 

[Savagesteve]

If you want an suv I would go tahoe/yukon. Pickup silverado or sierra. Gm gets decent mpg and the vehicles are easy to work on and parts are usually fairly cheap as most lsx motors and transmissions go on a lot of different platforms. Ford pickups aren't bad as we have some that go through hell at work but I find them more expensive to maintain and a pita to work on.

 

[MindlessWork]

Around $6 a gallon according to some conversion numbers on Google. Cheaper than I thought actually, I figured $8-10 a gallon.

Insurance on my 63 Nova is actually less than what my daily driver costs. It's covered as an antique car that's only driven a few times a year during warm months. It's less than $200 a year for full coverage.

Fuel cost is another story though, about 8mpg or 3.4kpl according to a conversion calculator. Even with gas here being less than half the cost of over there it still adds up.

Still that's pretty high for places in Europe I'd say, compared to $2.50 average here in the states.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Still that's pretty high for places in Europe I'd say, compared to $2.50 average here in the states.

It's been over double what ours is for a long time as far as I know. I think they've been doing the tiny, fuel efficient car thing even when we making them at their biggest.

 

[Eman]

Im so over the ford v chevy bs
Makes no difference. Were on the same team
The enemy is toyota and nissan
But ey... it gets complicated

Complicated is right.

Cars made in America? Chrysler, Ford no longer qualify

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

If you want an suv I would go tahoe/yukon. Pickup silverado or sierra. Gm gets decent mpg and the vehicles are easy to work on and parts are usually fairly cheap as most lsx motors and transmissions go on a lot of different platforms. Ford pickups aren't bad as we have some that go through hell at work but I find them more expensive to maintain and a pita to work on.

Fords arent hard to work on
Everything i add, every repair i do is easy
The only "difficult" repair i ever did was the damn vaunted spark plug swap out. I ordered the lisle tool just to keep on hand. I soaked the plugs in penetrating oil the night before and bada bing bada boom come right out.

Keep your oil changed properly with ford spec filters and proper viscosity oil and you wont have a damn bit of repairs engine related till about 200,000 miles or more.

Fords have to have the motorcraft line of filters. Your warranty is gone if you dont. I read a oil filter round up in my monthly magazine. They broke down each filter on the market and shown which were truly good and which werent. If you own a ford out a damn motorcraft filter on it...their cheap and above standard. I could link this article if interested...

 

[mudbutt22]

new shit is too much and a waste of money unless u have it . me i don't and I'm a mechanic .my choice of truck is used tahoe or yukon .since i fix cars for a living i don't want to fix my own shit . my yukon xl has 180,000 and i beat the balls out it .

I have an 07 Yukon Denali that I bought for 12k thats in great shape- cosmetic and mechanical. It has 180 k miles on it and it still runs like a champ. You can get 300 k out of those cars easy before needing a major repair imo. It's probably my favorite vehicle I've had and I downgraded from a 2013 ram.

Thing I really love about the 07s is they're cheap and a laymen can't tell if its a 15000 vehicle or a 40k vehicle since they kept that body style for like 6 years.

If you want an suv find yourself an 07 Yukon or Tahoe. You won't be disappointed.

 

[Gramps]

Fords arent hard to work on
Everything i add, every repair i do is easy
The only "difficult" repair i ever did was the damn vaunted spark plug swap out. I ordered the lisle tool just to keep on hand. I soaked the plugs in penetrating oil the night before and bada bing bada boom come right out.

Ya got lucky! Or had low mileage. Over 60K and without a proper warmup after running a load of some form of top engine cleaner, and not breaking any? You should go to Vegas if so! Most shops and many dealers won't even change those damned things past certain mileage points.

 

[Ukphil]

. I mean Renault for example with the Megane rs few years ago started beating supercar from left to right with a 35k euro car on the nurgburing.

I own a megane 3rs and it's awesome around track beats almost anything around corners
Mine has decat remap and upgraded intercooler and a few other little goodies
Running 325bhp would love to boost it to 400bhp but costs are insane

Edited to add would love another focus rs now they are awesome they go up in value here in UK
They finally selling it in North America but waiting lists around the world are terrible

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

only one way to settle this...
bumper to bumper, grab the tow strap.

hold my beer..

 

[GearGodess]

Acura or Lexus... reliable, sexy, powerful

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Ya got lucky! Or had low mileage. Over 60K and without a proper warmup after running a load of some form of top engine cleaner, and not breaking any? You should go to Vegas if so! Most shops and many dealers won't even change those damned things past certain mileage points.

Untrue
I have no "formal" training. No certifications. No shop manual. No air tools and i was easily able to do all 8. I did em early at about 80,000 miles so carbon couldnt settle in and make the job harder. Ford recommends every 100,000 i think on the plugs.

I think why most techs have problems with this fix is they 1) use air tools. Which is fucking stupid 2) have a deadline to complete the job 3) dont fucking care 4) there ASCE certifications amount to spit 5)should of let it sit with simple penetrating lube for a day before doing the work

Wait you mean to tell me FORD stands for Found On Road Dead?
DODGE stands for Drips Or Drops Grease Everywhere?
And GM really stands for Government Motors?

Cmon gramps i took you for brighter then that!
Dont believe the bullshit

 

[Kakarot]

Untrue
I have no "formal" training. No certifications. No shop manual. No air tools and i was easily able to do all 8. I did em early at about 80,000 miles so carbon couldnt settle in and make the job harder. Ford recommends every 100,000 i think on the plugs.

I think why most techs have problems with this fix is they 1) use air tools. Which is fucking stupid 2) have a deadline to complete the job 3) dont fucking care 4) there ASCE certifications amount to spit 5)should of let it sit with simple penetrating lube for a day before doing the work

Wait you mean to tell me FORD stands for Found On Road Dead?
DODGE stands for Drips Or Drops Grease Everywhere?
And GM really stands for Government Motors?

Cmon gramps i took you for brighter then that!
Dont believe the bullshit

I used to love doing those when I worked for an independent shop. Charged 8hrs and still cheaper than anybody else in a 100mile radius. If you've only ever done one set you can't really say your method is the best. I've pulled out hundreds of those damn plugs ... probably only had to use the extraction tool about 15 times. Only had to take one head off. I also soak mine overnight, sometimes do a top engine clean too if it's real high milage.

 

[Gramps]

Untrue


Cmon gramps i took you for brighter then that!
Dont believe the bullshit

Sorry, it's not "internet" bullshit. It's just a bullshit design that fortunately died an early death and like I said, you got lucky! Not a big deal, yours is just not a common example.

1: Soaking in oil from the top is useless as it can't get past the seat. Many fall for this without realizing it just doesn't do anything - the plugs that are "saved" with oil on top would have come out any way.

2: And it's the "breaking loose" of the plug that causes any breakage "of" the plug so there's no advantage of the oil seeping down once the plug is broke loose as if it's the one to break, it already broke by this point.

They don't all break at 80k, but most do. 100k is the recommended life of the plug, not the recommended time to swap these miserable cluster fucks of a design. By 100k many more are welded into the head thanks to carbon. Don't get your girdle in a bunch over it! You lucked out old man!