Newbie - Dianabol cycles (with Nolvadex)

[tomrob]

My uncle does know about training thanks very much. He's told me not to bother with steroids, but there we go. Why do you say he know shit about training from that little bit of info I gave you? eh?

By on and off I mean I had 6 weeks off in each year. Oh and yes I do deadlift and squat, as squating helps your whole body grow.

Maybe if you can hit 200lbs and be under 17% bf..then you might be ready to get on the bean..but untill then...I think you need to learn something about discipline and dedication

Cut the patronising shit, I know my body better than you

 

[marineone]

Damn - set your goals higher ...brad pitt, ed norton??

 

[tomrob]

Damn - set your goals higher ...brad pitt, ed norton??

Lol well ya know, just examples of how these film stars OBVIOUSLY take steroids

You're just lazy, and your looking for a short cut

How can you say I'm lazy? You don't even know me. You say I'm looking for a short cut, doesn't that apply to anyone and everyone in this forum that take steroids? So I take it you don't....

 

[tomrob]

(double post)

 

[0u812]

My uncle does know about training thanks very much. He's told me not to bother with steroids, but there we go. Why do you say he know shit about training from that little bit of info I gave you? eh?

By on and off I mean I had 6 weeks off in each year. Oh and yes I do deadlift and squat, as squating helps your whole body grow.



Cut the patronising shit, I know my body better than you

I wasn't being patronising...I was dead serious!

And I know you're full of shit when you say you only took 6 weeks a year off...but hey if that's what you wanna say..who am I to dispute you...

And my comment about your uncle was based on the fact that he trained for three years and can barely bench his own body weight..Therefore..He knows S H I T about training....I've seen 150lb highschool kids doing 225 for triples within the last week...What's you and your uncle's exscuses...?

 

[tomrob]

What's you and your uncle's exscuses...?

Does he need an excuse? It was his limit, we both have bad joints, and tendons. We're both narrow shouldered, our delts are practically non-existant. Basically we have womans bodies

 

[skywalk]

Does he need an excuse? It was his limit, we both have bad joints, and tendons. We're both narrow shouldered, our delts are practically non-existant. Basically we have womans bodies

man...if I had a woman's body i'd play with myself all day!!!!

 

[atlmo]

Its not that we cant or wont offer sensible help, but you have set paramaters that are not sensible. Dbol only cycles suck plain and simple, there is no way to dress it up. But if you are intent on doing that no one is going to tell you different, where not hear to argue and you basically made your feelings clear and basically stated that you are not open to us telling you what the proper way of doing a cycle is. The body building world has learned a lot since arold lifted what he did is not all together relevent given todays level of pharmacological knowledge. If you take deca and dbol you wont get a hard on for some time and thats just for starters. Its not the question you asked but the way you laid it down so to speak.

Ok, maybe I'll go and find a different forum that actually offers sensible help for people wanting to learn.

You guys can shove it

EDIT: Edit, ooh finally some proper help, thanks dude

So what is wrong with D-bol only? I heard it's good taking it with Deca-Durabolin. But that's what old Arnie did, so I guess 'I can't do that'

 

[tomrob]

Everyone is saying that D-bol only cycles suck, but nodoby is actually telling me why.....

 

[0u812]

Well, you obviously don't know your ass from a hole in Freaky Freddy's basement...so it's a waste of time and energy to debate this with you...Why don't you go into the training forum and read up on 5X5 or Dual Factor Training... That will do you better than steroids ever will.


And with that...I'm off to bed...


Good luck (Cause you're going to need it)

0u812

 

[Trenman]

Everyone is saying that D-bol only cycles suck, but nodoby is actually telling me why.....

Why ok you'll gain 10lbs and turn around a lose it 2 weeks after you stop.

 

[Pred]

Before people reccomend injectables, no chance, I hate needles and wouldn't be able to inject myself (yes a true wimp)


-Tom

Tom, you couldn't hate needles more than I used to. I would faint EVERY time I was poked with a needle. But I realized after some 'research' that using only orals would not get me where I wanted to go. Now needle pokes are no big deal, whether I'm doing it or the doc is doing it. If you don't want to accept everyone's advice on this board, then don't. Go ahead and use 15mg of dbol a day and see what happens for yourself. I believe you will be disappointed.

 

[tomrob]

Why don't you go into the training forum and read up on 5X5 or Dual Factor Training... That will do you better than steroids ever will.

No it won't, training like that with steroids will make it even better. We've done training like that already, so take your head out your ass

 

[joe5572]

No it won't, training like that with steroids will make it even better. We've done training like that already, so take your head out your ass

This "you and your uncle" thing is getting creepy. But anyway- in ALL seriousness, Dbol only cycles don't "suck", at least while youre on it. You will make nice size and stregnth gains, (by nice I mean you will notice some positive gains more than you would from nothing at all) but you will lose 99.9% of them 3 weeks after you are on no matter HOW hard you train. With or without anti-e's you will make water gains and those will not stay. If you are 100% percent against needles then AAS are not for you. And you saying "Well Arnold did Dianobol and Deca??!" Well yes he did- but remember- DECA IS AN INJECTABLE. Good luck and happy researching. Also- coming on here and talking shit to some of these guys who are seriously HELPING you by ponting out your ignorance- is going to get you nowhere fast.

 

[tomrob]

I know Deca is an injectable, and I'm not talking shit, most of you guys (like yourself for example) have been helpful. It's just a certain few "We know it all point and laugh at the newcomer" people that piss me off

So what could I take after D-bol that could help me keep my gains?

 

[bigwil]

Hi, I've been lifting weights on and off for about 3 years now. I'm 22, 6' 1" and about 170lbs (quite a bit of that is fat! My frame is pretty thin) Now I'm small boned and a real hardgainer. I've tried Creatine and it helped a bit, also done the old "Bulking" that's how I'm up to 170lbs now. So I'm going to be trying anabolics for the first time. After reading up online I'm going to try Dianabol, and Nolvadex to block Gyno. Just wondering what cycles I should do? How much to D-bol - N-dex to take? I was thinking of starting with around 15mg on D-bol a day (3 tabs)

Before people reccomend injectables, no chance, I hate needles and wouldn't be able to inject myself (yes a true wimp)

When people say D-bol is toxic to the liver, are we talking, I'm gonna collapse after 2 weeks? How does it compare to say, drinking 6 or 7 pints of lager on a night out? My new years resolution (as ever) is to get massive, and if it means cutting out drinking so I can take D-bol then so be it. I know I'll also have to up my protein and water intake. Is it possible to still take a Creatine Serum? Or would that be pointless.

Anyway, thanks for the help (if I get any lol)

-Tom

Look bro, do this:
Weeks 1-12 do 400mg of enanthate
Weeks 1-12 do 400mg of deca

 

[bigwil]

Look bro, do this:
Weeks 1-12 do 400mg of enanthate
Weeks 1-12 do 400mg of deca

I fucked up the post .
Weeks 1-5 fo 25 to 30 mg of d-bol every day.
Use liquidex or armidex throughout the cycle and two weeks after your last shot start clomid therapy to get the boys back up to shape. I know you said you are scared of needles but everybody is a first. Just nut up and stop being a puss. If you don't do it don't do anything at all. Sorry for being so blunt but d-bol alone is stupid. Later, bigwil

 

[skywalk]

I know Deca is an injectable, and I'm not talking shit, most of you guys (like yourself for example) have been helpful. It's just a certain few "We know it all point and laugh at the newcomer" people that piss me off

So what could I take after D-bol that could help me keep my gains?

its not what you take after, but rather what you take WITH.

that test/deca cycle outlined above looks good. EQ is another alternative.

week 1-4: dbol 30mg ED
week 1-12: EQ 400mg/wk
week 1-12: Test enan 500mg/wk
week 1-15: arimidex 0.5mg ED

week 15-18: nolvadex 40/40/20/20
week 15 for 10days: femara 2.5mg ED
OR
arimidex 1mg ED for 10 days.

starting PST on week 15 lets the EQ/deca and test clear out. remember that if you choose deca, it's detectable for more than a year after your last injection.

some people like that PST I described, while others swear by clomid. like i've said before, you won't know what PST regimen will best suit your body.

Skywalk

 

[tomrob]

Ok cheers for the help guys

So where the hell do I get needles from? Do you guys use disposable or what?

Do you take some blood into the syringe first to help the mix?

 

[tomrob]

Just been reading this article on using D-bol as more of a supplement for longer cycles, i.e 10 weeks. Seems interesting. I may give it a go and see what happens

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-dianabol.asp