Newbie - Dianabol cycles (with Nolvadex)

[tomrob]

Hi, I've been lifting weights on and off for about 3 years now. I'm 22, 6' 1" and about 170lbs (quite a bit of that is fat! My frame is pretty thin) Now I'm small boned and a real hardgainer. I've tried Creatine and it helped a bit, also done the old "Bulking" that's how I'm up to 170lbs now. So I'm going to be trying anabolics for the first time. After reading up online I'm going to try Dianabol, and Nolvadex to block Gyno. Just wondering what cycles I should do? How much to D-bol - N-dex to take? I was thinking of starting with around 15mg on D-bol a day (3 tabs)

Before people reccomend injectables, no chance, I hate needles and wouldn't be able to inject myself (yes a true wimp)

When people say D-bol is toxic to the liver, are we talking, I'm gonna collapse after 2 weeks? How does it compare to say, drinking 6 or 7 pints of lager on a night out? My new years resolution (as ever) is to get massive, and if it means cutting out drinking so I can take D-bol then so be it. I know I'll also have to up my protein and water intake. Is it possible to still take a Creatine Serum? Or would that be pointless.

Anyway, thanks for the help (if I get any lol)

-Tom

 

[billj]

dude you need to do a few MONTHS of research before you even think about using.... You also should be able to get up to around 200lbs. natural at your height relatively easy with proper training and diet. BTW youre gonna get flamed

 

[tomrob]

Why should I get flamed, I only said I've been doing "Online Reserch" recently

I've been thinking for the past year about taking them, and my uncle has loads of books that I've been reading. So this post is like more research for me.

Whether I do MONTHS of research doesnt matter, it's still Dianabol, and research is not going to change it to the perfect steroid for my body.

If I got up to 200lbs it would be mostly fat, and I wouldn't see much strength gains. Like I said, I've been training for practically 3 years, I started weighing 140lbs! 200lbs would be natural at my height if I had a normal sized frame for my height, but I don't

 

[atlmo]

I wasnt going to say anything.

dude you need to do a few MONTHS of research before you even think about using.... You also should be able to get up to around 200lbs. natural at your height relatively easy with proper training and diet. BTW youre gonna get flamed

 

[tomrob]

Oh and when I said Newbie, I meant to these forums, not weightlifting.

 

[graybass]

newbie!!!

I can't wait to follow this thread. maybe we should leave the little dude alone, after all he's done reshearch!!!(BioAS you out there? You should send him Body 4 Life LOL) sorry, I'll just lay in the bushes and wait for the fire!!! That OL Graybass

 

[skywalk]

no cycle will be good for you till you get your bodyfat down to at least 12%. Also, dbol on its own sucks. You'll lose most of your gains. Nolva as an anti-e is a poor choice. i'd go with arimidex or femara. Add test prop in the mix and you'll have a great first cycle. if you dont wanna inject, you're in the wrong place. Injecting is NO BIG DEAL. it's all mental. after the first poke, you'll be laughing your ass off for being such a pussy. 25gauge slides in so smoothly, especially if you have a little bit of oil from the gear to lube it up.
Trust me, you dont wanna do a dbol only cycle.
you're obviously clueless about liver protectants so, go get yourself some milk thistle, R-ALA, tyler's detox, and maybe liv-52. a gallon of water a day at least, and plenty of nolva/clomid for post cycle recovery. Research the proper way to take your anti'e's like arimidex and femara, and make sure you have EVERYTHING in your hand before starting a cycle. jeez bro...dbol only?

Skywalk

 

[tomrob]

Ok, maybe I'll go and find a different forum that actually offers sensible help for people wanting to learn.

You guys can shove it

EDIT: Edit, ooh finally some proper help, thanks dude

So what is wrong with D-bol only? I heard it's good taking it with Deca-Durabolin. But that's what old Arnie did, so I guess 'I can't do that'

 

[skywalk]

Ok, maybe I'll go and find a different forum that actually offers sensible help for people wanting to learn.

You guys can shove it

WTF??? alrighty then....my long reply gone to shit.....makes me think twice about helping out the noobs. freakin loser

 

[tomrob]

skywalk, see my above edit

 

[skywalk]

skywalk, see my above edit

this is my suggestion.
post your stats (height, weight etc) history lifting, diet, current bodyfat, and anything you can think of that will help. We're not here to design a cycle for you. You haven't done the proper (keyword: proper) research yet. Reading about what arnie did, coleman did etc will get you nowhere.

very very simple, basic first cycle is test. Any test. long cycle, short cycle, you pick and choose the ester. but prop is my choice for a first cycle, since you dont know your predisposition to gyno. you can stop it and it clears out fast. Go research, post the cycle you plan on doing, and we'll critique it

Skywalk

 

[tomrob]

Do you think it'd be better for me to start on a weaker roid like Andriol or Anavar?

Height: 6' 1"
Weight: 170lbs
Bodyfat: 11%
Best Flat bench: 167lbs for one rep (told u I'm weak)
Best Barbell Curl: 75lbs for 4 reps

I am a weak guy, pretty narrow shouldered too. I'm sick of it to be honest. That's why I think it's time for me to look for 'help' as it were

 

[skywalk]

in my opinion, no. Test should be the base for your first cycle. Tren is my second choice. You'll respond so well to the gear since its your first cycle.

 

[Turbo1]

i'm not gonna flame bro. But seriously Dbol online is not the best choice. I am on my first cycle and the injectioins are absolutly painless. I'm using a 23g and shooting in my quads. I have had paper cuts that hurt 10 times worse than injecting. Learn more about injectable steroids bro. You will be glad you did. I started with dbol in my cycle and had to stop it cause it fucked up my back soo damn bad i couldnt even lift. THinking about running some Test Enanthate and maybe EQ or Deca. Great beginning cycle!

You can even use 25g and inject and that will be even less pain. SO that makes your pain factor on a scale of 1-10 10 being punched by Mike Tyson about a 1.3!

Before you use AAS i would supplement your diet with a MRP like MEtrx and run creatine. I put on 15lbs with Metrx and Creatine in about 4 or 5 weeks. Granted it was some fat but i was alot bigger! Even bigger now with my Test E and EQ cycle. up 18lbs in 5 weeks. I went from 180 before Metrx and creatine to 210 now. and I'm 6'

Shoot me a pm or email if you want some help bro!

 

[tomrob]

Shoot me a pm or email if you want some help bro!

No pun intended right

 

[0u812]

no cycle will be good for you till you get your bodyfat down to at least 12%.

Skywalk

Would you care to elaborate further on this statement? I know many powerlifters who have never been close to 12%bf who broke into new weight classes and set new P.R.'s for themselves after their first cycle...

And if you wanna talk about Body BUilders...I know many body builders who hover in the 12-15%bf range that cycle constantly, and they always do well from their cycles....

Now with all that being said...This guy is obviously not ready to use steroids...as it was already stated..You should be able to hit 195-200 Naturally, even if you're an ecto...

 

[skywalk]

you're right that came out the wrong way. what I was tryin to say (but failed miserably) is that the lower your bodyfat %, the more effective the cycle will be in my opinion. Sounds to me like our friend here is way up there in the bodyfat %, so I came up with 12% as a guideline. Make more sense now i hope

Skywalk

 

[tomrob]

My uncle is the same build as me exactly, we're both ecto freaks

It took him roughly 3 years of solid training and eating to reach 210lbs, and even then his best flat bench was only 230lbs for one rep.

You see these film stars like Brad Pitt, one minute he's a thin average guy, the next he's ripped to shreds and packing a fair bit of mass (fight club) Look at Edward Norton, it says he put 30lbs of muscle on in 6 weeks for the film American History X

Someone give me a personal trainer like these guys have

Lol, I just read that doctors used to prescribe D-bol to woman in the 60's, one 5mg tablet a day. It was also used in prisoner of war camps to keep the prisoners as healthy as they could with as little food as possbile

 

[0u812]

My uncle is the same build as me exactly, we're both ecto freaks

It took him roughly 3 years of solid training and eating to reach 210lbs, and even then his best flat bench was only 230lbs for one rep.

You see these film stars like Brad Pitt, one minute he's a thin average guy, the next he's ripped to shreds and packing a fair bit of mass (fight club) Look at Edward Norton, it says he put 30lbs of muscle on in 6 weeks for the film American History X

Someone give me a personal trainer like these guys have

Sounds to me like your uncle knows shit about training...


WRT to the Brad pitt, Ed Norton thing..You're just lazy, and your looking for a short cut..I saw your three years on and off comment...My guess is much more off than on...and when you do train, you probably don't squat or do deadlifts, and you probably get most of your training programs from Flex or Muscle and Fitness....You need to do a lot of research..learn something about training and diet...and stop looking for the easiest route to gain 20-30lbs...

Maybe if you can hit 200lbs and be under 17% bf..then you might be ready to get on the bean..but untill then...I think you need to learn something about discipline and dedication

 

[marineone]

Bro - Get your mind right and do the darts. Nothing better than sticking yourself for the first time. Regardless of what you take if you don't eat properly, you will not gain crap. Good luck.