No energy on a cut

[Evom1]

And don't forget to only run 125mg test, keep E2 between 23.7 and 36.42

Any idea why that dude hasn't somehow been banned? Pretty sure everyone knows to ignore him at this point tho.

BTW @Docd187123 I've seen alot of your posts recently, thank you for all the knowledge you contribute to the board! I as well as others appreciate it

 

[RodgerThat]

Any idea why that dude hasn't somehow been banned? Pretty sure everyone knows to ignore him at this point tho.

BTW @Docd187123 I've seen alot of your posts recently, thank you for all the knowledge you contribute to the board! I as well as others appreciate it

I don’t appreciate it. He has ninja fingers and a nack for always finding the good threads before me.

Damn you doc!!!!! (Dramatic falls to knees and yells towards the sky clenching fists)

I’d start cycling your carbs a bit then big guy possibly for workout and non workout days to have more energy the days you need them also I don’t think it would effect you negatively at all if you dropped your protein down 20g everyday too I think 250g at 200lb is a bit too much I’d go 230 and use the extra 20g towards carbs or just eliminate it entirely to reach your goal quicker

 

[Seven]

Are you doing any cardio?

 

[jaymaximus]

Are you doing any cardio?

None. I thought about and got tired. Seriously though, I lost 30 lbs, and got somewhat lean with no cardio at all. I do however do A LOT of reps though. My shortest days in the gym are 2.5 hours.

 

[Seven]

None. I thought about and got tired. Seriously though, I lost 30 lbs, and got somewhat lean with no cardio at all. I do however do A LOT of reps though. My shortest days in the gym are 2.5 hours.

Damn good job! I wouldn't say you're healthy though. Lol Little cardio would allow you to eat more, right? More food is always good.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Enhanced. 200mg tren wk/ 300 test, pretty simple. Right now Im 72 inches, 197ish, and @Docd187123 says about 12% bf, I trust his judgment.

So the deficit size isn't that big. Hmm.

I would probably schedule 2 day weekend style refeed. Cals at maintenance, bump fat down to 60g for the time being, keep protein the same, the rest for carbs. I just don't think a 1 day refeed is going to do much beyond psychological stuff and if you have energy problems then clearly we need to address the body as well as the mind.
If that does the job then repeat the process every 10 days and then increase the frequency as you get leaner (depending on what your end goal is bf% wise).

 

[jaymaximus]

So the deficit size isn't that big. Hmm.

I would probably schedule 2 day weekend style refeed. Cals at maintenance, bump fat down to 60g for the time being, keep protein the same, the rest for carbs. I just don't think a 1 day refeed is going to do much beyond psychological stuff and if you have energy problems then clearly we need to address the body as well as the mind.
If that does the job then repeat the process every 10 days and then increase the frequency as you get leaner (depending on what your end goal is bf% wise).

Sounds good. Thanks for taking the time.

 

[jaymaximus]

Follow up question. I'm having issues during training getting dizzy when I stand up, related or something else? (I mean really dizzy, like I have to grab something and hold on)

 

[KingPin42]

Why? Why not do 65-70% of them pre intra and post workout?

As for refeeds, just a thought but how about once every 7-10 days you double your carb intake?

^^This x1000

When I cut it's all fat and protein for breakfast and carbs are only peri workout, mostly backloaded. Never had an issue with energy.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Follow up question. I'm having issues during training getting dizzy when I stand up, related or something else? (I mean really dizzy, like I have to grab something and hold on)

What does your carb intake pre/intra workout look like? Also, if you have a prewo meal, how far away is it from the workout itself usually?

 

[jaymaximus]

What does your carb intake pre/intra workout look like? Also, if you have a prewo meal, how far away is it from the workout itself usually?

3 out of 6 days I go an hour after breakfast, which is anywhere from 55 ' 65g Carbs. The other 3 days I usually just have a pack of tuna an hour before.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

3 out of 6 days I go an hour after breakfast, which is anywhere from 55 ' 65g Carbs. The other 3 days I usually just have a pack of tuna an hour before.

Add some carbs to the tuna. That should help automatically. If that's not possible, because your on the go or whatever, then a gatorade intra-wo would also help.

If after addressing the carb issue it's still happening then it could be reactive hypoglycemia, which means you need to slow things down. Adding some fat and/or fibre to each meal would be a wise move in this case.

 

[RodgerThat]

Follow up question. I'm having issues during training getting dizzy when I stand up, related or something else? (I mean really dizzy, like I have to grab something and hold on)

Hydration on point? You replacing the salts you expel? Electrolytes too

 

[jaymaximus]

Hydration on point? You replacing the salts you expel? Electrolytes too

I do 16 - 18 cups a day. I found a calculator that sad for my weight and training it should be 19 daily, so i may be slightly under. Not much though.

 

[Demondosage]

You're tired because your shortest days in the gym are 2.5 hrs, you've lost 30 lbs recently, and you're starving. Imo if you were razor sharp conditioned with bulging veins and good and abs and visible obliques then I'd say it's normal to feel like death and run down, even faint in the gym sometimes. However, that doesn't sound like the case if you're still hanging out around 12%. At 12% you should still have decent energy.

You're doing something wrong. I agree with everyone else who says to increase carbs. Your muscle cells have no energy brother

 

[jaymaximus]

You're tired because your shortest days in the gym are 2.5 hrs, you've lost 30 lbs recently, and you're starving. Imo if you were razor sharp conditioned with bulging veins and good and abs and visible obliques then I'd say it's normal to feel like death and run down, even faint in the gym sometimes. However, that doesn't sound like the case if you're still hanging out around 12%. At 12% you should still have decent energy.

You're doing something wrong. I agree with everyone else who says to increase carbs. Your muscle cells have no energy brother

I'll never argue against more carbs. I'm going to drop fat and up daily carbs to see if it helps.

Also still don't know exact bf. If I went by that picture chart I'm lower, but I'm not checking until January

 

[Demondosage]

I'll never argue against more carbs. I'm going to drop fat and up daily carbs to see if it helps.

Also still don't know exact bf. If I went by that picture chart I'm lower, but I'm not checking until January

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Yea man, you're definitely not at the point you should feel like death yet, there is an easy 4-5% more to go b4 you should be feeling that rotten. Bodyfat could be 12% or could be 15%, I learned not to care as much about a hard number over the mirror. I've seen guys who were 10% who actually looked leaner than guys who were 7% based on where they carried excess and levels of development

 

[jaymaximus]

New question, along the same lines. Cuts still going, I upped carbs and lowered fat, same calorie intake.

I'm losing weight steadily, and getting more "shredded" but I'm not seeing progress in my abs like I would think. They seem to have gotten worse IMO.

2 things changed, one was the uppef carbs, two was my ab routine. Before I was doing no weighted exercises and I added in cable crunches and weighted sit-ups.

My thought is to drop the weighted things and go back to the routine I saw progress with. Am I right, wrong, crazy?

 

[RodgerThat]

New question, along the same lines. Cuts still going, I upped carbs and lowered fat, same calorie intake.

I'm losing weight steadily, and getting more "shredded" but I'm not seeing progress in my abs like I would think. They seem to have gotten worse IMO.

2 things changed, one was the uppef carbs, two was my ab routine. Before I was doing no weighted exercises and I added in cable crunches and weighted sit-ups.

My thought is to drop the weighted things and go back to the routine I saw progress with. Am I right, wrong, crazy?

Think it’s purely your BF% and how you carry fat/water. Plus you are doing daily pics almost which even weekly can be a bit of a mind fuck just if you are more bloated that day or something along those lines. I’d attribute the less definition to more carbs and the change in macros not the you’ve regressed but you body is probably working on finding a new homeostasis. Your ab routine won’t really make any difference in even a 8 week period for bringing them out much. It’s all on diet and BF%. Thickness will be from how heavy you do your compound movements and making them pop will just be from how lean you are. Unless you are looking to shape them more I do not think direct work is necessary to stress about.