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Old guys: remember anabolic reference guide?
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Theworm
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Crazy cycles!
Deca for 5 weeks!
I do like the anadrol pulsing technique
Deca for 5 weeks!
I do like the anadrol pulsing technique
Also, back then you had to already look like you were on gear before anyone would speak to you.
There WAS NO "I'm currently 150 lbs and want to run my first cycle, what do I use?"
No Sir, I was a fairly lean 205 lbs all natural before anyone would give me the time of day. Back in that old basement gym the guys who worked at the max security prison downtown were most of the juicers. And it didn't matter if you were 40 years old or a minor, YOU DEFINITELY DID NOT FUCK AROUND WITH THEM. Gear and muscle was serious business in that gym, but you had to earn your way in first, and there was a level of trust that came with it. And if you ever crossed the line or fucked someone over....it was gonna be a REEEAAALL BAD DAY
There WAS NO "I'm currently 150 lbs and want to run my first cycle, what do I use?"
No Sir, I was a fairly lean 205 lbs all natural before anyone would give me the time of day. Back in that old basement gym the guys who worked at the max security prison downtown were most of the juicers. And it didn't matter if you were 40 years old or a minor, YOU DEFINITELY DID NOT FUCK AROUND WITH THEM. Gear and muscle was serious business in that gym, but you had to earn your way in first, and there was a level of trust that came with it. And if you ever crossed the line or fucked someone over....it was gonna be a REEEAAALL BAD DAY
See,this is the type of shit In talking abt rt here! Most of the above mentioned drugs are not even considered beginner dosing today! And guess what? Dudes got results from that!
At some given point in time I think fast food and lack of hard work overcame what effective dosing really is!
The short drug introductions and constant compound switching was all too common in most cycles back then. YET, SOMEHOW ....the same drugs that ppl preach need to be ran 15 weeks to see results from now worked for guys back then when ran in short durations!
I'm not saying we don't know more abt gear now than back in the day, but what I am saying is that 500mg a week of test is not a beginner dosage to me, 50mg a day of dbol or winny is too much for most ppl, and anavar in a 50mg tab probably isn't 50mg of real anavar and it's half filler
At some given point in time I think fast food and lack of hard work overcame what effective dosing really is!
The short drug introductions and constant compound switching was all too common in most cycles back then. YET, SOMEHOW ....the same drugs that ppl preach need to be ran 15 weeks to see results from now worked for guys back then when ran in short durations!
I'm not saying we don't know more abt gear now than back in the day, but what I am saying is that 500mg a week of test is not a beginner dosage to me, 50mg a day of dbol or winny is too much for most ppl, and anavar in a 50mg tab probably isn't 50mg of real anavar and it's half filler
Wow
Theworm
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Yeah, crazy low doses and short duration
2-300 deca for a few weeks
There’s a 11 week test cycle and doses are 250 a week (2 weeks at 500) and 3 weeks anadrol off and repeat.
These would be considered very low today even for a beginner. What’s changed? Think they reported lower than what they used? Gear better back then or people to busy these days and rely on drugs?
Look at the primo doses 1-400 a week, people now say 700-800-1000 a week is needed and needs to be run for half a year
2-300 deca for a few weeks
There’s a 11 week test cycle and doses are 250 a week (2 weeks at 500) and 3 weeks anadrol off and repeat.
These would be considered very low today even for a beginner. What’s changed? Think they reported lower than what they used? Gear better back then or people to busy these days and rely on drugs?
Look at the primo doses 1-400 a week, people now say 700-800-1000 a week is needed and needs to be run for half a year
I also think before doc based TRT and enough guys to have regular labs as comparables these numbers were more on the conservative side out of playing it safe.
But I've also heard of golden era guys who were reckless back then as well, going way over the amounts that were rumored to have been "norm", I think it was Boyer Coe who came out and actually said ,"don't let anyone fool ya, we were reckless back then too"
Theworm
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Anymore stories from the golden era?
EazyE
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Both Mentzer bothers supposedly used very large regular doses of deca, among other AAS typically available and used back in 70s and 80s. Interesting that they both died from heart related health issues. Arnold used lots of Dbol in his day, among other compounds.
Theworm
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Mentzer smoked a ton and was known to do cocaine to cut up and “help concentrate “. That may have contributed to his heart issues, the other brother thought he had kidney issues and was on dialysis ?
There have always been guys who used massive dosages of anabolic steroids even in the 1970s.
There's this guy - Pete Grymkowski:
He claimed to have used between 3000 and 10,000 mg of oral and injectable steroids PER DAY:
Source: Randy, R. (2011) Muscle Smoke & Mirrors Volume II. Authorhouse.
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Theworm
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Great find!!!
Is he still alive?
Theworm
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I bought that book as well but must have thrown it out, seem to recall he did a bunch of interviews when it was published some of them may still be online. Google time
I'd definitely recommend Randy Roach's Muscle Smoke & Mirrors trilogy. It's expensive but well-worth as it's the far most comprehensive treatise available. John Fair has a couple of good books but nothing compares to Roach's work.
Grymkowski is still alive and well afaik.I bought that book as well but must have thrown it out, seem to recall he did a bunch of interviews when it was published some of them may still be online. Google time
He did a youtube interview with Ric Draisin a couple of years ago. Grymkowski's conversations with Roach took place in 2010. Roach interviewed practically everyone still alive from the classic era during the course of researching his books.
Btcowboy
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I bought that book as well but must have thrown it out, seem to recall he did a bunch of interviews when it was published some of them may still be online. Google time
If you can read the pics lol
thx, I appreciate the pics.
Theworm
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I’m blown away by such low doses, one guy 400 mg test and 15 mg anavar
Other guy 50 mg test and 25 mg winny a day, then adds 200 mg deca a week.
And these were competitors. Can this be accurate?
Other guy 50 mg test and 25 mg winny a day, then adds 200 mg deca a week.
And these were competitors. Can this be accurate?
Yea, I have a couple more for ya. Arnold usually competed around 215 lbs and never had arms over 22", one day ken walker bet him 100$ he was not over 215 lbs and Arnold jumped on the scale and before they could get an accurate reading he hopped off. This came from a guy who grew up in the gyms out near Venice beach and was around all of the golden era guys.
I believe Arnold's arms were around 19 5/8" and his peak was really good so he could get away with a little lie here and there. This was actually talked about in one of Arthur Jones books. Strength wise Franco was also much stronger than Arnold.
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