Old man tren update

[adrenalytic]

How does E at the dose feel compared to A. I've always wondered that?

I've never run ace but with longer esters you actually end up with higher serum levels of the api vs. a shorter ester. Someone did the math here a while back. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[RockyP]

I've never run ace but with longer esters you actually end up with higher serum levels of the api vs. a shorter ester. Someone did the math here a while back. I'll see if I can find it.

Correct. Depending on injection schedule the longer esters like hex and enanthate will linger for longer so you get more of a compounding effect of the api in terms of area under the curve. It’s a little confusing but while the “dosages” are comparable the total exposure to the drug is usually greater in the longer esters.

So when the guys from the 90s say they did 2 to 3 amps of tren hex per week, it’s not the same effect as 225 (or 228) mg of tren ace. In many ways, they really are totally different drugs. I’ve heard lots of stories of guys who tried to use an equivalent dosage of enan after using acetate, and they had terrible side effects, and it leads me to believe that this was because the longer Ester produced a greater total exposure to the tren, i.e. greater area under the curve, and their bodies were better able to handle the rapidly metabolized acetate, but could not handle an equivalent dosage of the enan.

So for anyone looking to try hex or enanthate, best to start with 50% of your acetate dosage and slowly work up.

 

[adrenalytic]

Correct. Depending on injection schedule the longer esters like hex and enanthate will linger for longer so you get more of a compounding effect of the api in terms of area under the curve. It’s a little confusing but while the “dosages” are comparable the total exposure to the drug is usually greater in the longer esters.

So when the guys from the 90s say they did 2 to 3 amps of tren hex per week, it’s not the same effect as 225 (or 228) mg of tren ace. In many ways, they really are totally different drugs. I’ve heard lots of stories of guys who tried to use an equivalent dosage of enan after using acetate, and they had terrible side effects, and it leads me to believe that this was because the longer Ester produced a greater total exposure to the tren, i.e. greater area under the curve, and their bodies were better able to handle the rapidly metabolized acetate, but could not handle an equivalent dosage of the enan.

So for anyone looking to try hex or enanthate, best to start with 50% of your acetate dosage and slowly work up.

Here's that math I was talking about. The whole thread is worth a read.

Trenbolone Acetate vs Enanthate: Doses Are Not Equivalent, With Examples

 

[Mfras]

Oh man I read that thread with great interest recently- my tren ace experiment I’m running right now made me feel like 1-200mg/week is pretty darn tolerable but tren ace is a lot of pinning! I grabbed a couple bottles of enanthate for possible future use.

What I learned in that thread is that people have a lot of opinions based on their understanding of the dosages and esters. I’m the opposite of an expert but the takeaway for me, the usable information, was that ace might be something like 10% stronger but if a pinning schedule appropriate to the ester release is used then the actual amount of tren available to circulate in your body is similar when talking about 2-3x/week E vs every day A. With the caveat that the A would hit like 10% harder and the E is a ride you can’t get off of because while once saturated the doses are similar but on the E you’ve built up a massive amount of tren that’s locked up in the ester which is gonna take it’s time running through you.

It’s hard to sort through the signal/noise on this topic, and I haven’t been on a respectable dose of Ace long enough to know if I’m going to be super happy I can clear it when problems happen or if I’ll know that something like a 110% dose of enanthate would have been comparable. I will say despite no problems yet I still fear and respect the compound enough that I’d only use like 75% to start if I chose to crack my E stash next year.