Older guy looking to learn about TRT etc

Rapscalion

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Hi everyone,

I'm in my late 50s and UK based. I'm here to primarily learn about TRT and male hormone balancing.

My T level is ok "for my age" but I'm interested in the possibilities of increasing this a little.

Have much to learn and not rushing into anything.

Seems to be a vast amount of knowledge here which is why I've joined.
 
Hey, good to meet you.

There are many Meso members in your situation, who will be able to share their experiences with you.
Your considerate approach is intelligent and will allow you to discern the way forward that is best for your health.
Thank you for the intro and have a good day.
 
Welcome to the asylum, brother.

We are about the same age. What's your training experience? You T levels are good for your age.

Depending on your goals, I would add 2iu hgh and go from there, maybe a true TRT dose down the road.
 
Training experience good compared to the average person but probably not very good compared to the average user of this site :)

The last while has been spent getting weight off, stopping drinking and trying to get general fitness back as I'd let things slip. Not drunk for 10 months now which has definitely helped everything.

Interesting re the hgh - I'm currently taking some gh secretagogue peptides (Ipamorelin/Tesamorelin) and am close to goal weight now so doing more resistance training.
 
Training experience good compared to the average person but probably not very good compared to the average user of this site :)

The last while has been spent getting weight off, stopping drinking and trying to get general fitness back as I'd let things slip. Not drunk for 10 months now which has definitely helped everything.

Interesting re the hgh - I'm currently taking some gh secretagogue peptides (Ipamorelin/Tesamorelin) and am close to goal weight now so doing more resistance training.
I think everyone would tell you that gh would be a better, more effective option for you.
Usually, people may use the kind of peptides you are taking before introducing gh.
But the consensus is that they are an inferior option and not worth the money.
You can find some really good quality hgh, through a few of the sources that are featured on Meso.
Some, also provide sterility testing for it.
I see you use pharma stuff and idk if you have ever ventured down the ugl route.
 
I think everyone would tell you that gh would be a better, more effective option for you.
Usually, people may use the kind of peptides you are taking before introducing gh.
But the consensus is that they are an inferior option and not worth the money.
You can find some really good quality hgh, through a few of the sources that are featured on Meso.
Some, also provide sterility testing for it.
I see you use pharma stuff and idk if you have ever ventured down the ugl route.
That's interesting - why would gh be a better option for me? Is it just down to my age/goals and the fact that my T is ok for my age?

I've seen a lot of youtubers etc saying it's desirable to bring T levels up to the top of the range, eg around 1000 but are you saying that would be wasted on someone at my stage in life/goals?

A few people in discord groups I'm in have echoed what you've said regarding hgh and the gh peptides and I think that I'll make the move.

I bought the peptides on the grey market so am familiar with that world, and there's a fair crossover with the world of aas, etc.

I don't have any direct experience of UGLs as yet but it's something I'm happy to do and I have a few people who could probably start me off with some contacts.
 
I've seen a lot of youtubers etc saying it's desirable to bring T levels up to the top of the range, eg around 1000 but are you saying that would be wasted on someone at my stage in life/goals?
Top of the range is not always optimal too. It's not just about numbers, feeling, function is key. I am at my best with test at ~700ng. Top notch feeling, sexual function and gym performance for TRT levels that is. Minimum ancillaries needed, no AI, no bp medication whatsoever.

GH on the other hand, definitely can be improved, it's strictly age related. Secretaguages were usually chosen because of price, nowadays hgh is even sometimes cheaper.
 
Top of the range is not always optimal too. It's not just about numbers, feeling, function is key. I am at my best with test at ~700ng. Top notch feeling, sexual function and gym performance for TRT levels that is. Minimum ancillaries needed, no AI, no bp medication whatsoever.

GH on the other hand, definitely can be improved, it's strictly age related. Secretaguages were usually chosen because of price, nowadays hgh is even sometimes cheaper.
That makes sense, it's more than just numbers - and we're all different.

One of the things that's brought me here is tbh less libido and sexual function (everything still there but it's much reduced from say 5 or 10 years ago). I also don't feel down or depressed but a bit "meh" about a lot of things.

The only thing recently that may be complicating this is a 5 months on Tirzepatide which is quite fatiguing....but that's only part of it I think.
 
That makes sense, it's more than just numbers - and we're all different.

One of the things that's brought me here is tbh less libido and sexual function (everything still there but it's much reduced from say 5 or 10 years ago). I also don't feel down or depressed but a bit "meh" about a lot of things.

The only thing recently that may be complicating this is a 5 months on Tirzepatide which is quite fatiguing....but that's only part of it I think.
For the sexual function embrace the dick pills. 5mg cialis ED helps there, in prostate health (major) and bp (minor)
 
Throw 25mg proviron into the mix and take it from there. If nothing changes, you need a full panel with test, e2 and prolactin

cialis every day or once in a while?
 
Throw 25mg proviron into the mix and take it from there. If nothing changes, you need a full panel with test, e2 and prolactin

cialis every day or once in a while?
Ok, thanks for the advice I'll look into proviron.
I was thinking of getting a full panel done anyway as the basic NHS T test doesn't give any real detail beyond the single figure.

Just started on 2.5 to 5mg Cialis daily (not sure of dose yet) as have some symptoms of enlarged prostate (PSA blood test is fine)
 
2mg/day Tesamorelin, is, roughly, going to increase adult GH levels by about the same as 1.5-3iu of HGH. At those doses HGH is cheaper.

But unless you're going to go above that, out of "anti-aging" into "bodybuilder" levels, Tesa has the advantage except in price. The approximate 65% boost to GH levels from a 2mg daily dose is done using your endogenous GH, released the same way you normally would, in the same pulses, with all the other parts of the natural regulatory system kept intact. It has an excellent long term use safety record, and even after cessation higher GH levels persist, indicating a pituitary "renewal" effect to some degree.

You also don't need to be concerned with timing of administration and regulating diet. around dosing time like you must with HGH.

That said, for maximum enhancement without the safety concerns about staying within physiological levels, and most bang for the buck, HGH wins hands down.
 
@Ghoul Then you can let this gentleman know about your PT141 protocol.
Further enhancing the sensory enhancement adventure.
This guy is lucky, huh?
 
@Ghoul Then you can let this gentleman know about your PT141 protocol.
Further enhancing the sensory enhancement adventure.
This guy is lucky, huh?
I've already got a kit of PT141 :)
Primarily for my partner but I've heard it can be great for men as well. We have yet to try it...
 
I've already got a kit of PT141 :)
Primarily for my partner but I've heard it can be great for men as well. We have yet to try it...

Oh well, there you go.
You are well prepared, indeed, Sir.
Still, Ghoul is da man with this stuff.
There is a thread about it
 
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