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[hexagonal]

Hi all,

Trainer designed this cycle for me. I would get fever every time when I inject. Needles are sterile. Good injection technique. Gear is good, sourced from opti. Bloodwork was good before starting, no inflammation, have done 3 months of 200mg per week pharma trt in the past.

But this cycle doesn't seem to be working. I ran this for 3 weeks thinking it would go away but had to stop because normal life stuff was getting in the way of annoying fever everyday.

Any thoughts?

Not directly related to your question, but because I see it in your image:
Taking Red Yeast Rice is dumb.

The lipid lowering effects in RYR come from it containing a statin (monacolin k, aka lovastatin). It is illegal for RYR sold as a supplement in the US to contain this statin. So it will either do nothing (probably the best outcome, honestly), or you are taking a first generation statin coming from a supplement company that is breaking the law, with an unknown and unregulated quantity in the supplement.

Lovastatin is also one of the worst statins in regards to efficacy vs. side effect profiles. If you want to take a statin, take a modern generation one like pitavastatin.

 

[Tbaz192]

Hi all,

Trainer designed this cycle for me. I would get fever every time when I inject. Needles are sterile. Good injection technique. Gear is good, sourced from opti. Bloodwork was good before starting, no inflammation, have done 3 months of 200mg per week pharma trt in the past.

But this cycle doesn't seem to be working. I ran this for 3 weeks thinking it would go away but had to stop because normal life stuff was getting in the way of annoying fever everyday.

Any thoughts?

I react to certain compounds terribly. Primo for example, makes me have cold/flu like symptoms.
Confirmed by labs. White blood cells were elevated with multiple sources and carrier oils in primo. And no it wasn’t e2 being crashed or me being sick. I’ve tried to run it 4/5 times. Same issue everytime.
QSC test cyp makes me also feel like shit.

I’d double check your labs.

And if you want to keep running stuff, start by adding a single compound, if you get the fever with “x Compound” then you know it was that one. and then eventually you’ll know what’s doing it. It’s a long process.
But health > looks
Reta side effect that’s rare is sensitivity to heat/skin sensitivity like it burns. Not really a fever, but everyone gets symptoms differently

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Hi all,

Trainer designed this cycle for me. I would get fever every time when I inject. Needles are sterile. Good injection technique. Gear is good, sourced from opti. Bloodwork was good before starting, no inflammation, have done 3 months of 200mg per week pharma trt in the past.

But this cycle doesn't seem to be working. I ran this for 3 weeks thinking it would go away but had to stop because normal life stuff was getting in the way of annoying fever everyday.

Any thoughts?

Regarding the fever, agree you should try injecting compounds separately to isolate the culprit. It's highly unusual for MCT oil to cause system reactions.

Regarding the cycle...

1. Why is this trainer giving you a SERM + AI for 150-200mg ea test P and Primo, not to mention two 5a-reduced orals - proviron/anavar ? If it were MENT, I would understand. Primo, proviron, and anavar all bind very strongly to SHBG which will increase free T. That with partially blocked aromatase pathway will increase DHT levels in tissues that have high expression of 5a-reductase, ie skin appendages like hair follicles and sebaceous glands, and prostate. So expect very oily skin, hair loss, and prostate enlargement. The anastrozole itself may be appropriate if you aromatize heavily, although personally I think aromasin is a far better choice ~ 12.5mg in lieu of 0.5mg anastrozole; adding the tamoxifen just seems to be adding unnecessary risk for blood clots.

2. Why is this trainer giving you test prop to use with EOD injection? That gives wild swings in T levels (see attached plot), with far greater range and duration than natural diurnal variability. If prop was used to be able to rapidly adjust the dose okay, but daily injections are the way to go. I'd have used cypionate or enanthate for EOD use, matching the primo.

3. Why primo at this point in time? It's terribly overpriced and fake/mislabelled product is on the market. One of my friends got some bad (non-) primo from a former source at SSL, we suspect it was EQ + tren, and a source at ASF just got busted for selling bad PrimoE200 (Jano tested primo 120 + testC 65) and MastE (Jano tested mastP 120 + test E 111). Not something I'd be concerned about with Opti, but it's not the best time to be have to buy these compounds. Most honest sources including Opti are OOS, and those honest ones that have inventory are charging dearly for it. It's a good compound but an attenuated androgen there are other options. For the cycle your trainer designed, I'd have chosen either TestP + MastP (readily available) at 25mg/day or TestE/C 25mg + MastE 25mg or DHB 12.5mg EOD (if mastE unavailable).

Anyway, long reply you probably weren't wanting but food for thought.

 

[SpaceForce]

Hi all,

Trainer designed this cycle for me. I would get fever every time when I inject. Needles are sterile. Good injection technique. Gear is good, sourced from opti. Bloodwork was good before starting, no inflammation, have done 3 months of 200mg per week pharma trt in the past.

But this cycle doesn't seem to be working. I ran this for 3 weeks thinking it would go away but had to stop because normal life stuff was getting in the way of annoying fever everyday.

Any thoughts?

It's hard to make definite statements about you without bloodwork.
General comments in addition to what @bigdaddyandfriends said:

I bet your E2 is crashed or very low.

Primo reduces E2 (by how much varies person to person - if I add primo at half of my test dose, my E2 will be on the low side).
Anastrozole lowers E2.
Tamoxifen is usually used for post-cycle therapy. I almost never hear of it used during a cycle that doesn't have crazy doses of gear, or where the user isn't prone to E2 effects on breast tissue. Tamox blocks estrogen in certain tissues.

The combination of these 3 compounds doesn't make sense to me unless bloodwork and side effects have shown them to be needed. You would have to be a super aromatizer and be susceptible to gyno IMO.

I wonder how much experience your trainer has with athletes on cycle and their bloodwork.
I would put you on 175-200mg of test e or c per week, let your test level out on that dose for ~4-6 weeks, pull bloodwork, and see where to go from those results. There's a good chance you wouldn't need E2 control.

I think the orals are unneeded, introduce more stress to your body, and add unnecessary complexity to the cycle for someone who has only done TRT before.

 

[trillbolic]

Opti restock

 

[Redbeard008]

Opti restock

Already made an order!

 

[trillbolic]

Already made an order!

Same. I am having fomo that I didnt order enough

 

[AllGoodThings]

Same. I am having fomo that I didnt order enough

Order more, it's only a $20 shipping fee you're losing, vs months of "I should have bought more when I had the chance" misery.

 

[Redbeard008]

Order more, it's only a $20 shipping fee you're losing, vs months of "I should have bought more when I had the chance" misery.

Agreed! That's what I did. Better safe than sorry

 

[trillbolic]

Already made an order!

Same. I am having fomo that I didnt order enough

Order more, it's only a $20 shipping fee you're losing, vs months of "I should have bought more when I had the chance" misery.

Yeah that's so true

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Just ordered some restocked oils and green top HGH. Glad I checked today!

 

[RockyP]

Opti restock

Good lookin out brother!

 

[AllGoodThings]

Already down to 16 Mast E left in stock...
I had little to nothing to do with it!!

 

[duddy707]

How many ml of bac water would you guys use to reconstitute the 60iu green tops?

 

[Ghoul]

Not directly related to your question, but because I see it in your image:
Taking Red Yeast Rice is dumb.

The lipid lowering effects in RYR come from it containing a statin (monacolin k, aka lovastatin). It is illegal for RYR sold as a supplement in the US to contain this statin. So it will either do nothing (probably the best outcome, honestly), or you are taking a first generation statin coming from a supplement company that is breaking the law, with an unknown and unregulated quantity in the supplement.

Lovastatin is also one of the worst statins in regards to efficacy vs. side effect profiles. If you want to take a statin, take a modern generation one like pitavastatin.

Pita is like the complete opposite of RYR, unique among statins because it's fully synthetic, small, rigid, and designed to perfectly fit HMG-CoA reductase, so it has the most potent LDL lowering per mg, while having virtually no "off target" side effects.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

How many ml of bac water would you guys use to reconstitute the 60iu green tops?

Supplies in 5cc vials so that’s what I’m planning to use. Even better if I can squeeze 5.5-6cc in there. I can get 3.5 in a 3cc vial, which is what I’ve been doing with the gold tops.

 

[Infernalmango]

God dam yall ate the fuck out that mast and primo

 

[AllGoodThings]

God dam yall ate the fuck out that mast and primo

Still about 140 Mast P in stock...

 

[RockyP]

Not that it matters now, but anyone have experience with PIP level on Opti's Primo200?

 

[NTJuice]

Not that it matters now, but anyone have experience with PIP level on Opti's Primo200?

Nope but I will soon. Will report back

Are you experiencing any ?