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[Black Beard]

It feels like the guys bashing @Opti are the same account. Some of them are new accounts too. It's really weird and feels coordinated.


What they are bitching about doesn't even make any sense. Is he supposed upload a video of himself with his driver's license where his stuff is made?


Also, he literally said the final oils are produced in the USA. Do they expect the raws to be made in the USA too? Lmfao

 

[iris]

It feels like the guys bashing @Opti are the same account. Some of them are new accounts too. It's really weird and feels coordinated.


What they are bitching about doesn't even make any sense. Is he supposed upload a video of himself with his driver's license where his stuff is made?


Also, he literally said the final oils are produced in the USA. Do they expect the raws to be made in the USA too? Lmfao

You are ridiculous.

And someone who people thought was too friendly with Qsc, iirc.

So you can talk.

 

[iris]

Also, he literally said the final oils are produced in the USA. Do they expect

Yes.
Almost January 2025.
He was asked about it in the summer.
Was it June, when the oils came out?

But that's OK, it must be a coordinated attack.

Lol.
What a fool

 

[little tokyo]

Opti quality been kind of sketch lately and the guy has been very absent in terms of forum presence/customer interaction lately.


(Now his little spies are going to urgently message him that "someone is talking shit" so he rushes back for damage control. Again i'm just sharing honest feedback not "talking shit" ).

Post my lie? Dumb ass.


These threads are for feedback (good and bad) , not circle jerking the sources like you groupies do.

Get the dildo out of your asses and man up.

You lost your mind or what? You keep reposting the same shit that doesnt't show i ever lied.


Whatever, i made my point; Opti service and quality took a hit but looks like he might be taking the feedback seriously. Also, you keep calling me a liar every single time i post, but can't show me where i lied.


Also, people are afraid to leave feedback on here because of your autistic hissy fits whenever anyone says anything even a little negative about the source.


I've had multiple people PM me complaining about the same issues.

Jeez man. Are you even the same Black Beard account that was complaining on optis thread in December 2023 about the same shit ?

Or has his account been taken over by someone ?

 

[RandallFlagg]

Hi Randall.

Just this.

He was asked.
Not a single reply, even to say f off.
It was left to the customers.

Anyone other source doing this, they would be crucified, regardless of whether there have been "problems" or not.
Or that's what I thought.
I was wrong.

Here:







Answer:


Anyway, I may write about this somewhere else.
Thank you.

Oh I understand. I don't have a problem with the questions.

It's just that Opti gave HIS answers (so they can either be construed as answers or "word salad"). Either view is fine in my books for consistency sake. (I think he accomplished both - satisfied my curiousity AND told those who want more detail to pound sand).

This is where @readalot approach has been genius. He kept repeating his specific questions until he was told the answer OR was told to eat shit. He didn't get bogged down in arguing semantics of answers etc. He approached it kinda like a lawyer,.asking clarifying questions when necessary.

Im not trying to answer for Opti (even if it sounds like it is...lol). I get that's for the source to do for themselves.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

It feels like the guys bashing @Opti are the same account. Some of them are new accounts too. It's really weird and feels coordinated.


What they are bitching about doesn't even make any sense. Is he supposed upload a video of himself with his driver's license where his stuff is made?


Also, he literally said the final oils are produced in the USA. Do they expect the raws to be made in the USA too? Lmfao

Im definitely not the same as anyone else here. Certainly am my own identity and profile.
Strange how butt kissers always come to the defense.

All anyone has ever done here is point out what members on meso should be doing/does.. seeks the truth absolutely nothing wrong with that.

So he buys he's raw from China, he said that himself, then it's produced in the US ok, so where does the rest of his stuff come from..
Hardly bad questions

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

It feels like the guys bashing @Opti are the same account. Some of them are new accounts too. It's really weird and feels coordinated.


What they are bitching about doesn't even make any sense. Is he supposed upload a video of himself with his driver's license where his stuff is made?


Also, he literally said the final oils are produced in the USA. Do they expect the raws to be made in the USA too? Lmfao

There’s nothing coordinated. I’m the one who posed the question as I’ve been absent from the forum for a bit and was wondering if any of the questions were ever addressed. Not everything here is a conspiracy.

Seems like the whole thing kinda just trailed off. It’s come into question again. I don’t see anything wrong in saying who makes your oils.

 

[iris]

This is where @readalot approach has been genius. He kept repeating his specific questions until he was told the answer OR was told to eat shit. He didn't get bogged down in arguing semantics of answers etc. He approached it kinda like a lawyer,.asking clarifying questions when necessary.

Thanks.
I understand your thinking.

However, I am personally not going to do "a Readalot" here, lol.

I get the gist of this thread and the members that write here (and, often, here only).
It's like a ghetto.
If I thought Qsc' s thread was bad, imo this is worse, in terms of people's attitude.
Not even there you get jumped on with this speed and obstinacy, for asking very simple, unprejudiced questions.
At least, in good or bad, there is someone from the company, not just customers acting as custodians/customer service agents (sure many there, too).

Like Little Tokyo said, it's because of the meso milieu.
The source only does what he does because he can.
Very fair.

And like one of them wrote yesterday, if you don't like it, stop this and go buy somewhere else.

 

[B Ware]

Thanks.
I understand your thinking.

However, I am personally not going to do "a Readalot" here, lol.

I get the gist of this thread and the members that write here (and, often, here only).
It's like a ghetto.
If I thought Qsc' s thread was bad, imo this is worse, in terms of people's attitude.
Not even there you get jumped on with this speed and obstinacy, for asking very simple, unprejudiced questions.
At least, in good or bad, there is someone from the company, not just customers acting as custodians/customer service agents (sure many there, too).

Like Little Tokyo said, it's because of the meso milieu.
The source only does what he does because he can.
Very fair.

And like one of them wrote yesterday, if you don't like it, stop this and go buy somewhere else.

I feel like you are taking this too personal bud. The reason some of us are speaking out asking wth is because Opti has literally operated this way his entire 6 years here. He drops in and gives updates and test reports. He doesn’t sit here daily and chat and it has worked very well for him. Again, there are no issues and really none that anyone can recall worth mentioning, but yet because there are like two guys who all the sudden demand Opti speak to them are upset because he won’t. That’s silly. What are you seeking? For him to write an intro? You aren’t even customer or have an interest here from what I hear so what gives?

 

[RekTest]

I feel like you are taking this too personal bud. The reason some of us are speaking out asking wth is because Opti has literally operated this way his entire 6 years here. He drops in and gives updates and test reports. He doesn’t sit here daily and chat and it has worked very well for him. Again, there are no issues and really none that anyone can recall worth mentioning, but yet because there are like two guys who all the sudden demand Opti speak to them are upset because he won’t. That’s silly. What are you seeking? For him to write an intro? You aren’t even customer or have an interest here from what I hear so what gives?

What does being a customer change?

I asked the same things and I AM a customer of opti
Why do you think he shouldn’t give even just the tiniest bit of info on his oil making/process? This is meso, are we not suppose to push vendors so we know they arent brewing in bathrooms???
You can say well this is opti, yes then he should have NO WORRY telling us, yes? Because he doesn’t brew in a bathroom.
I wouldn’t even care if he posted no pictures, just explain his oil line a little more.. thats all Im asking.

 

[B Ware]

What does being a customer change?

I asked the same things and I AM a customer of opti
Why do you think he shouldn’t give even just the tiniest bit of info on his oil making/process? This is meso, are we not suppose to push vendors so we know they arent brewing in bathrooms???
You can say well this is opti, yes then he should have NO WORRY telling us, yes? Because he doesn’t brew in a bathroom.
I wouldn’t even care if he posted no pictures, just explain his oil line a little more.. thats all Im asking.

So out of my post your hung up on the customer comment? Honestly it was just an honest question since it was dropped on some of us a little about her agenda on Meso. Which I’m unsure is true and why I asked the question. Just getting on a personal level so I can see what’s what.

What source can you guarantee is not brewing in a bathroom? Not even Stan has shared a picture of his operation. Quite frankly he hasn’t answered what you guys are asking of Opti either. We just know he’s a good brewer with great testing and that’s that. What I’m getting at is everyone just takes sources at their word and that’s it. An intro is written saying I have a flow hood, etc etc and I sterilize using this and that and the community gives the source some shit for a bit and that’s it.

Is that what you guys are all the sudden after?

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Why don't we move this energy into axel or something.

 

[ackmack78]

Personally I'm fine with what he's posted and his most recent answer. Good enough for me, whether it's good enough for you is up to you. Most important for me is testing and his has been spot on and user reports of which there have been no negative ones except for a couple questions about underdosed test e. And I think someone had the test e blindly tested afterwards and it was spot on but not positive about that. He's my go to for hgh and my backup for oils.

I will say I did pick stan over Opti for oils when black Friday was going on even though stan wasnt doing any discounts because he was what I've been using and I prefer to keep the variables reduced. But if stan stopped I have no hesitation in buying oils from opti.

 

[Tbaz192]

All this back n forth yall lol

How did the oils test? Pretty solid right?
So what’s the issue???

New mct line coming.
If they test solid… Then good. Another good Opti product.

Opti can post and say whatever he wants. It’s his “business” and he can run it how ever.
We’re just part of the forum.
If you don’t want to buy. Then don’t
Simple as that.

Harm reduction board I get it, yall want processes, photos, etc.
But end of the day any source can upload any photos and then brew off a kitchen stove and in a bathtub for all we know lmao

But the proof is in the testing. And testing has been solid. Even by members in here! I also havent seen any tainted gear, floaters, etc.
but some other major sources deal with that a lot and more. Just saying.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

All this back n forth yall lol

How did the oils test? Pretty solid right?
So what’s the issue???

New mct line coming.
If they test solid… Then good. Another good Opti product.

Opti can post and say whatever he wants. It’s his “business” and he can run it how ever.
We’re just part of the forum.
If you don’t want to buy. Then don’t
Simple as that.

Harm reduction board I get it, yall want processes, photos, etc.
But end of the day any source can upload any photos and then brew off a kitchen stove and in a bathtub for all we know lmao

But the proof is in the testing. And testing has been solid. Even by members in here! I also havent seen any tainted gear, floaters, etc.
but some other major sources deal with that a lot and more. Just saying.

Only testing that really matters is blind testing. How many blind tests have there been. I think I’ve only seen one for test c (255mg).


Again. Duration really means nothing. Absolutely nothing wrong with asking about what you’re injecting into your body. We aren’t talking snow cones here lol. Transparency only aids in growth and loyalty. Benefits everyone.

 

[B Ware]

How many blind tests have there been. I think I’ve only seen one for test c (255mg).

A quick search shows there have been 7 products blind tested in the last year. All were on point btw

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

A quick search shows there have been 7 products blind tested in the last year. All were on point btw

Here or testing threads?

 

[Black Beard]

Jeez man. Are you even the same Black Beard account that was complaining on optis thread in December 2023 about the same shit ?

Or has his account been taken over by someone ?

Yep, it's called "honest feedback". If i have an issue with a source or product, i bring it up. When i have a positive experience, i share that too.

 

[OldGHGuy]

As I see it, the only way to ever end this already-getting-tired back-and-forth would be to establish a "Standardized Source Scorecard" that any source, legacy or new, would be measured by and receive a "grade" based on compliance and adherence to the pre-set parameters established by the community. Of course, we would all have to agree on what would be included/excluded and it would have to be updated/reviewed regularly. Short of this approach, due to the number of variables involved, differing opinions on importance, conflicting interests and evolving circumstances (quality spills, delivery complaints, etc.) we're all spinning our wheels trying to play good source/bad source. And frankly, if I'm a source currently (I'm not) I am confused as to what exactly I need to do to keep everyone happy in an ever- changing landscape.

@readalot for "SSS Czar"?

 

[readalot]

@readalot for "SSS Czar"?

Great ideas on the SSC.

Czar? Me? F no. I'd be the last person fit for that and frankly I'm planning to run a bunch of stuff next year and get hyuugerrrr before i am too damn old. So mentally I may not be all there.

I'd recommend people step up and form a standards committee if even a small fraction of people here want progress on this front. I'm happy to participate as I can. So far very little skin in the game. I nominate @narta as Chair or @B Ware. We have enough for a committee I think. Run the meetings in a thread haha.

I do want to give a big praise to @accidentaljedi173. Way to go Brother. That was nice to see. Pinning that down is like grabbing a greased pig.

Awesome ideas @OldGHGuy.