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[little tokyo]

As I see it, the only way to ever end this already-getting-tired back-and-forth would be to establish a "Standardized Source Scorecard" that any source, legacy or new, would be measured by and receive a "grade" based on compliance and adherence to the pre-set parameters established by the community.

the source report cards haven’t came out yet, but I was in the principle’s office this morning and was made aware of a source on meso who will be receiving detention for the whole up coming year.
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[SwolieGuacamole]

Does Opti take a while to answer emails?

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

Great ideas on the SSC.

Czar? Me? F no. I'd be the last person fit for that and frankly I'm planning to run a bunch of stuff next year and get hyuugerrrr before i am too damn old. So mentally I may not be all there.

I'd recommend people step up and form a standards committee if even a small fraction of people here want progress on this front. I'm happy to participate as I can. So far very little skin in the game. I nominate @narta as Chair or @B Ware. We have enough for a committee I think. Run the meetings in a thread haha.

I do want to give a big praise to @accidentaljedi173. Way to go Brother. That was nice to see. Pinning that down is like grabbing a greased pig.

Awesome ideas @OldGHGuy.

Im newer here but definitely like this idea

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

the source report cards haven’t came out yet, but I was in the principle’s office this morning and was made aware of a source on meso who will be receiving detention for the whole up coming year.
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This is true or "fake news" never found things in my stuff or my friends.

 

[readalot]

the source report cards haven’t came out yet, but I was in the principle’s office this morning and was made aware of a source on meso who will be receiving detention for the whole up coming year.
Please see below. View attachment 309759

Hey, I though the claim was all that was fixed now. Let's see the proof in Q1 2025.

 

[OldGHGuy]

This is true or "fake news" never found things in my stuff or my friends.

Not sure but it does represent the challenges of structured source tracking and accountability pretty well...

Like I said before - at the end of the day, one must take the available imperfect information and make ones own choices. We should strive for more visibility but in the end the sources are taking the risk and have a right to limit data...and we have a right to buy or not. IMO its that simple, really.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

Not sure but it does represent the challenges of structured source tracking and accountability pretty well...

Like I said before - at the end of the day, one must take the available imperfect information and make ones own choices. We should strive for more visibility but in the end the sources are taking the risk and have a right to limit data...and we have a right to buy or not. IMO its that simple, really.

Side note (your profile pic sorta got a Michael Landen things happening)

 

[Meatgazer]

As I see it, the only way to ever end this already-getting-tired back-and-forth would be to establish a "Standardized Source Scorecard" that any source, legacy or new, would be measured by and receive a "grade" based on compliance and adherence to the pre-set parameters established by the community. Of course, we would all have to agree on what would be included/excluded and it would have to be updated/reviewed regularly. Short of this approach, due to the number of variables involved, differing opinions on importance, conflicting interests and evolving circumstances (quality spills, delivery complaints, etc.) we're all spinning our wheels trying to play good source/bad source. And frankly, if I'm a source currently (I'm not) I am confused as to what exactly I need to do to keep everyone happy in an ever- changing landscape.

@readalot for "SSS Czar"?

I like the idea but no one new would do their own research anymore. New members that ask for sources usually get roasted pretty hard but with a scorecard; they would just sort sources by highest score and order blindly.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

I like the idea but no one new would do their own research anymore. New members that ask for sources usually get roasted pretty hard but with a scorecard; they would just sort sources by highest score and order blindly.

But would that be a different than “known” go to sources? There’s just a rating attached now. Almost like an eroids kind of scale.

 

[B Ware]

Personally I think the idea of a score card and rating sources turns this place more into a source board. It would make us more welcoming to new sources so we could give them a chance to rate them. It would also make us want to give them a second, third, etc chances because, hey let’s see if they can bring that score up. It makes me cringe as it undos decades worth of work that so many members before us started.

Like @Meatgazer just mentioned, it would be one heaping spoon we would be feeding everyone. We all put in the work and research to make the choice we thought was best and everyone should do the same. I can see it now when a newb ask or posts a thread asking for a source. Everyone would just point him to a score card.

Quite frankly it would be very complicated to determine score as well and sounds like a headache. Like does everyone start at 100? Do floaters deduct 20 points? If a source has a set back but then gets their shit together how would that work? (This is actually what happened to Goodlyfe btw. He pulled his oil line due to so many issues but later started a new line and he became a good vendor imo).

Do you guys honestly think if we gave QSC a very bad rating that it would affect their sales here whatsoever ever? I don’t. I’ve seen them do the shadiest shit and it’s always business as usual.

Anywho, just my rambling thoughts.

 

[readalot]

It makes me cringe as it undos decades worth of work that so many members before us started.

Strongly agree. I like @OldGHGuy 's idea in that we discuss and evolve standards but without the ratings or score card. Make people still do the work just arm them with education and that standards can always improve.

You are already seeing that now with folks asking about additional testing along with HPLC that took a lot of work to get supported.

 

[readalot]

Almost like an eroids kind of scale.

Strongly would not support.

Good example. I really f'ed up if that is what it comes to here.

 

[Mick]

Looking through the forum for a solid generic hgh source. Can anyone point me to dimer test with this lab. Can't seem to find one. Also maybe you guys can help. When ever I run pharm grade, (genotropin, saizen, my only experience) everything is fine. Generics (other then qtropin which is discontinued im pretty sure) always give me a red welt. What is this? It itches then goes away. It's annoying lol. Is this from to much dimer? Or is this just poorly made hgh?

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

I like the idea but no one new would do their own research anymore. New members that ask for sources usually get roasted pretty hard but with a scorecard; they would just sort sources by highest score and order blindly.

Well I belive there's a way to lock a thread and only certain level users get access.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Strongly would not support.

Good example. I really f'ed up if that is what it comes to here.

Yeah I’m not saving I’m in support either. It can be manipulated

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

Looking through the forum for a solid generic hgh source. Can anyone point me to dimer test with this lab. Can't seem to find one. Also maybe you guys can help. When ever I run pharm grade, (genotropin, saizen, my only experience) everything is fine. Generics (other then qtropin which is discontinued im pretty sure) always give me a red welt. What is this? It itches then goes away. It's annoying lol. Is this from to much dimer? Or is this just poorly made hgh?

Wrong thread cowboy. Go read the rules etc

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

I think the best bet is just the added in depth testing becomes a standard protocol. Rather than calling that a “premium” line. There isn’t much else you can do without actual agency regulation. Also, how long before premium becomes a standard product. Thats just how capitalistic markets evolve.

“Hey bro. Can you wear a mask and live stream you brewing”

At the end of the day, it’s always just the sources word. Who’s to say what’s Jano tested isn’t a separate batch from whats being sold.

There needs to be more community backing behind blind testing. That should be a standard. Like a “Community Blind Testing” thread. Maybe people donate a few bucks. Every source and popular compounds with current batches. This also gets rid of spoon feeding

 

[little tokyo]

@dontletheoldmanin,

If we lettheoldmanin, do you promise no diddy fanatics?

 

[B Ware]

I think the best bet is just the added in depth testing becomes a standard protocol. Rather than calling that a “premium” line. There isn’t much else you can do without actual agency regulation. Also, how long before premium becomes a standard product. Thats just how capitalistic markets evolve.

“Hey bro. Can you wear a mask and live stream you brewing”

At the end of the day, it’s always just the sources word. Who’s to say what’s Jano tested isn’t a separate batch from whats being sold.

There needs to be more community backing behind blind testing. That should be a standard. Like a “Community Blind Testing” thread. Maybe people donate a few bucks. Every source and popular compounds with current batches. This also gets rid of spoon feeding

A community testing group has been beat to fucking death bud. They never work out for a number of reasons.

I also don’t see the need to force sources into enhanced testing for a “premium line”. I say this because have you seen any concern with anything that’s been tested that way? I will say I am a fan of the sterility test even though it really is only representing the single vial that was tested.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

A community testing group has been beat to fucking death bud. They never work out for a number of reasons.

I also don’t see the need to force sources into enhanced testing for a “premium line”. I say this because have you seen any concern with anything that’s been tested that way? I will say I am a fan of the sterility test even though it really is only representing the single vial that was tested.

What causes community testing not to work out of curiosity?

There’s no concern now. But who’s to say you get a bad batch or raws. Or raws change with whatever is happening in China, if anything.

Sterility is a good start provided we’re injecting this.