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[readalot]

I say this because have you seen any concern with anything that’s been tested that way? I will say I am a fan of the sterility test even though it really is only representing the single vial that was tested.

Very early to make any conclusions. From a statistical standpoint we simply don't have sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions.

Jano did mention some failed tests but until we can get some type of surveillance database with "events" we don't know. Hence I was trying to get him to anonymize results and report quarterly numbers on peptides and finished oils.

I simply state: a passing test is not a wasted test. Surveillance is a continuous process. Don't crash the plane before it takes off. Collect the data and in a year you can all tell me "told ya so". There's also the not so small details around endotoxin calibration with oils.

 

[FastBun]

Personally I think the idea of a score card and rating sources turns this place more into a source board. It would make us more welcoming to new sources so we could give them a chance to rate them. It would also make us want to give them a second, third, etc chances because, hey let’s see if they can bring that score up. It makes me cringe as it undos decades worth of work that so many members before us started.

Like @Meatgazer just mentioned, it would be one heaping spoon we would be feeding everyone. We all put in the work and research to make the choice we thought was best and everyone should do the same. I can see it now when a newb ask or posts a thread asking for a source. Everyone would just point him to a score card.

Quite frankly it would be very complicated to determine score as well and sounds like a headache. Like does everyone start at 100? Do floaters deduct 20 points? If a source has a set back but then gets their shit together how would that work? (This is actually what happened to Goodlyfe btw. He pulled his oil line due to so many issues but later started a new line and he became a good vendor imo).

Do you guys honestly think if we gave QSC a very bad rating that it would affect their sales here whatsoever ever? I don’t. I’ve seen them do the shadiest shit and it’s always business as usual.

Anywho, just my rambling thoughts.

I agree with this… this would just make all the young guys that don’t know shit about AAS to begin with just go to the source with highest rating… as I already imagine it does with sources that pay to be under sticky thread… QSC could be last on the list and would still have the most business…

 

[FastBun]

Very early to make any conclusions. From a statistical standpoint we simply don't have sample size to draw any conclusions. Jano did mention some failed tests but until we can get some type of surveillance database with "events" we don't know. Hence I was trying to get him to anonymity results and report quarterly numbers on peptides and finished oils.

He stated the concern with sterility testing was peptides not AAS… the test have not proven anything yet… everyone that’s tested has passed it…

 

[readalot]

He stated the concern with sterility testing was peptides not AAS… the test have not proven anything yet… everyone that’s tested has passed it…

Go read what he wrote.

 

[FastBun]

Go read what he wrote.

I did…you are a smart guy… so have you ever considered the amount of money Jano makes from testing??? So put that into perspective him egging on every type of testing there is… he even made so much from sterility testing that he decided to include it in his own lab… think about that…

these types of test have been around they aren’t new… just look back at the history of AAS users most gym guys don’t even wipe with alcohol swabs before pinning and don’t get infections… I think it’s beating a dead horse of “enhanced testing” and some sources are taking advantage of it to charge more like Matrix from sst…

 

[readalot]

I did…you are a smart guy… so have you ever considered the amount of money Jano makes from testing??? So put that into perspective him egging on every type of testing there is… he even made so much from sterility testing that he decided to include it in his own lab… think about that…

Yes, I did think about that. We definitely need multiple labs. Great point. If you have ideas please share other options.

For your reference:

Failure rates for endotoxin and tamc+tymc the way we do it are indeed quite low, roughly 5%.

It's mostly peptides failing, though

So to confirm, you have had finished oils fail for endotoxins and sterility (one or both)?

Endotoxin failures?
Sterility failures?

Yes, but I am unsure whether it was a real world samples, or purposefully tainted ones to 'test' me. They certainly did raise an eyebrow of mine.

I'll note, I am in a Catch-22 position with what I have attempted to do. I recognize that.

Catch-22 (logic) - Wikipedia

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[readalot]

these types of test have been around they aren’t new

They've been applied to the UG to characterize AAS quality? Can you point me to any scale of endotoxin tests for the UG on the internet/forums in the past?

Metals - yes
Sterility - some
Endotoxin - where?
GCMS - where?

 

[B Ware]

What causes community testing not to work out of curiosity?

There’s no concern now. But who’s to say you get a bad batch or raws. Or raws change with whatever is happening in China, if anything.

Sterility is a good start provided we’re injecting this.

This topic has come up several times over the years. The search function here works bud. There was a French testing group that lasted the longest with a group. The issue is it was a private group but that’s also why it lasted longer than any others. Being private only members in that group can view those test reports. (Well until QSC is leaked a few and they post the shit out of them. True story) With the private group, I’m not a fan and have been asked twice to start one. I test things for myself and clients and love sharing those reports with the community for harm reduction. It would need to work where no reports are leaked or what I describe below will happen. The big issue is it doesn’t support Meso or harm reduction HERE.

If you have a public Meso group it goes down like this, a few will donate and the whole community benefits from those test reports. Well, then the few who have been donating realize what’s what and they don’t want to donate any more because why donate when someone else will? Why keep forking the bill for every one when no one else is stepping up? Why would anyone else step up when these guys are paying for it? Then there’s no one left to donate lol.

There’s more but this is the cliff notes

 

[FastBun]

They've been applied to the UG to characterize AAS quality? Can you point me to any scale of endotoxin tests for the UG on the internet/forums in the past?

Metals - yes
Sterility - some
Endotoxin - where?
GCMS - where?

not saying to AAS but the testing is not new… it just has not been a thing because I do not think there is a concern with it… I am sure there are case studies involving them or scientific journals but I do not have the time be checking that atm… yes I have other labs in mind I would have to do more research first…

 

[B Ware]

Eh, I’m trying not to go down the enhanced testing rabbit hole today. I support harm reduction and more testing but unfortunately i personally would not add anything but sterility to my samples I send in to be tested. I just haven’t seen a need for all the rest and it’s quite expensive.

 

[readalot]

not saying to AAS but the testing is not new… it just has not been a thing because I do not think there is a concern with it… I am sure there are case studies involving them or scientific journals but I do not have the time be checking that atm… yes I have other labs in mind I would have to do more research first…

Yes, I understand the methods/assays are not new and plenty of literature plus they are in Pharma COA.

All I did was suggest using them in UG surveillance to collect data. The community may well conclude they are not wanted for the cost since there isn't any competition currently in analytical testing for UG AAS users.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

This topic has come up several times over the years. The search function here works bud. There was a French testing group that lasted the longest with a group. The issue is it was a private group but that’s also why it lasted longer than any others. Being private only members in that group can view those test reports. (Well until QSC is leaked a few and they post the shit out of them. True story) With the private group, I’m not a fan and have been asked twice to start one. I test things for myself and clients and love sharing those reports with the community for harm reduction. It would need to work where no reports are leaked or what I describe below will happen. The big issue is it doesn’t support Meso or harm reduction HERE.

If you have a public Meso group it goes down like this, a few will donate and the whole community benefits from those test reports. Well, then the few who have been donating realize what’s what and they don’t want to donate any more because why donate when someone else will? Why keep forking the bill for every one when no one else is stepping up? Why would anyone else step up when these guys are paying for it? Then there’s no one left to donate lol.

There’s more but this is the cliff notes

Yeah I don’t mind searching, I just don’t know what I’m looking for specifically lol.

But sure, I understand. Thank you for the explanation.

Private groups seem to fade away too though.

Overall just seems fucked lol.

 

[little tokyo]

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

@dontletheoldmanin,

If we lettheoldmanin, do you promise no diddy fanatics?

He seems to be someone you idolize definitely not someone id want anything to do with.
Enjoy your kiddy diddy parties are your own.

 

[Mick]

Wrong thread cowboy. Go read the rules etc

My bad. I guess I need to continue reading. Off to the rules I go. Smh

 

[Kpaxi]

I did…you are a smart guy… so have you ever considered the amount of money Jano makes from testing??? So put that into perspective him egging on every type of testing there is… he even made so much from sterility testing that he decided to include it in his own lab… think about that…

these types of test have been around they aren’t new… just look back at the history of AAS users most gym guys don’t even wipe with alcohol swabs before pinning and don’t get infections… I think it’s beating a dead horse of “enhanced testing” and some sources are taking advantage of it to charge more like Matrix from sst…

I’d be real interested in 20 years the correlations between gear use and endocarditis/valve disease

 

[readalot]

suggest

Wrong word. Whoops.

Demand is more accurate.

 

[readalot]

Eh, I’m trying not to go down the enhanced testing rabbit hole today. I support harm reduction and more testing but unfortunately i personally would not add anything but sterility to my samples I send in to be tested. I just haven’t seen a need for all the rest and it’s quite expensive.

Endotoxin half the price of sterility. I'd argue the endotoxin analysis (once shown it is properly calibrated for oils) is much better bang for buck. It gives you a better look at whole batch that the vial came from in terms of gram negative bacterial history at the "lab". Sterility only gives the vial.

Endotoxin: 120 usd
TAMC/TYMC: 240 usd

 

[readalot]

Nice job on the raws testing.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Endotoxin half the price of sterility. I'd argue the endotoxin analysis (once shown it is properly calibrated for oils) is much better bang for buck. It gives you a better look at whole batch that the vial came from in terms of gram negative bacterial history at the "lab". Sterility only gives the vial.

Endotoxin: 120 usd
TAMC/TYMC: 240 usd

K...I'm gonna argue...lol.

I don't know how you can realistically ignore gram positives...I don't think you can have one without the other .

But if we're going "baby steps" and value, your reasoning makes sense with the batch vs. the vial...good point. But man, I don't want it to get lost that just because endotoxin are negative doesn't mean there can't be some bacterial contamination.