oldage
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They dont.
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They really think UGLs are cooking up gh in their basements
Dial It In
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It’s the new gen of users brother. It’s rampant in here anymore.
In the basement, next to the Christmas decorations and the uranium enrichment centrifuges.
BatmanVAR
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We might be defining UGL different then. I know resellers like Opti don't make HGH but the Chinese labs he buys them from are also referred to as UGLs.
Juicedhead
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I think he meant. No underground lab is making gh.
Juicedhead
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I think he meant like no ugl in the us is making gh. Those chinese actually do have labs I consider it more generic then ugl.
riggspersonal
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Asked AI for fun.
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Unlike synthesizing basic anabolic steroids—which can be done with rudimentary chemistry and cheap powders—producing recombinant human growth hormone requires massive, multi-million dollar bioreactors to ferment and genetically modify E. coli bacteria.
Because the barrier to entry for manufacturing is so high, there are no small "boutique" HGH factories in China. It is essentially an oligopoly. Almost all raw and lyophilized UGL HGH globally traces back to just a handful of massive biotech facilities and chemical trading syndicates.
When a UGL claims they have an exclusive, top-secret manufacturer, they are almost certainly buying the exact same generic somatropin as their competitors. They are simply ordering it with a custom-colored flip-top cap (the "blue tops" or "black tops") and applying their own branded label.
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What Actually Differentiates UGLs
Independent Batch Testing (The Biggest Differentiator)
Storage and Climate Control
Operational Security and Shipping
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Unlike synthesizing basic anabolic steroids—which can be done with rudimentary chemistry and cheap powders—producing recombinant human growth hormone requires massive, multi-million dollar bioreactors to ferment and genetically modify E. coli bacteria.
Because the barrier to entry for manufacturing is so high, there are no small "boutique" HGH factories in China. It is essentially an oligopoly. Almost all raw and lyophilized UGL HGH globally traces back to just a handful of massive biotech facilities and chemical trading syndicates.
When a UGL claims they have an exclusive, top-secret manufacturer, they are almost certainly buying the exact same generic somatropin as their competitors. They are simply ordering it with a custom-colored flip-top cap (the "blue tops" or "black tops") and applying their own branded label.
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What Actually Differentiates UGLs
Independent Batch Testing (The Biggest Differentiator)
Storage and Climate Control
Operational Security and Shipping
riggspersonal
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Notably, the Optitropin vials and crimps are totally unique from any GH or peptide supplier I've ever bought from.
Elektrobot
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I should have considered that UGL can mean different things to different people
For some reason in my mind the Chinese underground producers aren't thought of as UGL's.
I've associated UGL with individual / small group of brewers
And think of chinese underground producers as illicit factories because of the scale.
hcgfiend123456
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It is practically amazon compared to 10 years ago. We are all super fortunate and lucky to have the amount of testing, transparency and quickness to receive illegal drugs in the mail as we do from some of these vendors.
I haven't used opti in a few years but he was my first purchase on this board and he was as legit as they come.
hcgfiend123456
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I think anything not legit pharma would be considered UGL.
BatmanVAR
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That's fair. Yeah it's funny how we all use the same terms but have different connotations with them. I've been in this game for 31 years so maybe I'm showing my age with regards to how I use the term UGL and how this changes over the years. To me it's always meant "not pharma" essentially so it would be small brewers, massive non-pharma HGH brewers, and even just sources selling UGL gear.
Hell I'm so old that the first time I bought gear was by mailing an envelope of cash to a guy in San Diego that I found in an AOL chat room and just hoped I got something in return other than an arrest. Shit was wild back then.
hcgfiend123456
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An AOL chatroom to buy gear?! What was it called?
BatmanVAR
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I have no idea, this was back in like 1999. I barely remember what I ate for breakfast an hour ago.
hcgfiend123456
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LOL that gave me a chuckle.
Ouch
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Hah! Brings back memories. My first cycle was injectable Winstrol. It was from a pharmacy based in the UK I found advertised on some bodybuilding chatroom...circa 2002.
Iirc I mailed a cashiers check to them and just hoped....like 2 months later it arrived at my door.
hcgfiend123456
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Crazy
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