Organ growth on 3 HGH units a day?

[smartgear]

uh?

every person and every tissue react differently, any even normal/natural amount makes ur organs and ears and nose grow.

fat people often have nice skin and large organs that is to say they often have more igf. that same person skinny/lower glucose may have alot less.. taking gh in a sense makes u a fat person, hold on to water, higher glucose organ and head growth.. (ever see 600lb people? they have large heads and its not all fat)

any amount will cause more growth, thats the point of taking it..

also I don't know if there is proper reference ranges for gh.. its one of those that can go up and down pretty fast and u miss ur peak no mater how fast u get to the lab. but at any rate if go to a specialty lab they may have one. someone who knows more can chime in but essentially mostly just under pituitary tutor agro levels is all they use it for from my limited understanding.

if any concern at all id say dont do it as not like night and day difference going on it. forsure has benefits but often slow (and even slower at just above replacement dosing)

No, you didn't get what I meant.

Yes, GH causes growth to any tissue, that's the purpose of GH. Normal GH levels, however, shouldn't not cause organ enlargement. There is a difference between growth and enlargement.

Cardiomegaly and visceromegaly are examples of abnormal growth, not just growth.

I used to be fat during puberty, but even if I had excessive IGF-1, it still didn't cause me organ enlargement and problems. Now I look normal, don't have health issues and bloated belly due to palumboism.

My question was, after what HGH/IGF-1 level does organ enlargement begin? If I keep my HGH and IGF-1 levels at the upper end of the reference range or just slightly above the range, will organ enlargement happen?

This is not about individual responses and different people reacting differently. There is a specific level that must be surpassed on a first place before abnormal organ growth begins.

 

[AlexDavis43]

No, you didn't get what I meant.

Yes, GH causes growth to any tissue, that's the purpose of GH. Normal GH levels, however, shouldn't not cause organ enlargement. There is a difference between growth and enlargement.

Cardiomegaly and visceromegaly are examples of abnormal growth, not just growth.

I used to be fat during puberty, but even if I had excessive IGF-1, it still didn't cause me organ enlargement and problems. Now I look normal, don't have health issues and bloated belly due to palumboism.

My question was, after what HGH/IGF-1 level does organ enlargement begin? If I keep my HGH and IGF-1 levels at the upper end of the reference range or just slightly above the range, will organ enlargement happen?

This is not about individual responses and different people reacting differently. There is a specific level that must be surpassed on a first place before abnormal organ growth begins.

Seems like you already have the answer you want.

Are you asking a question that you'd accept an answer that isn't your own? Doesn't seem that way.

 

[DECLAN]

So, you haven’t changed your handle to dumbgear yet lmao. I would still suggest stop making threads and start using the search function, keep researching and reading.

 

[clearheaded]

Seems like you already have the answer you want.

Are you asking a question that you'd accept an answer that isn't your own? Doesn't seem that way.

ya im not sure what this kid wants, some magic safe amount that gives most benefit but 0 side effects.

No, you didn't get what I meant.

Yes, GH causes growth to any tissue, that's the purpose of GH. Normal GH levels, however, shouldn't not cause organ enlargement. There is a difference between growth and enlargement.

Cardiomegaly and visceromegaly are examples of abnormal growth, not just growth.

I used to be fat during puberty, but even if I had excessive IGF-1, it still didn't cause me organ enlargement and problems. Now I look normal, don't have health issues and bloated belly due to palumboism.

My question was, after what HGH/IGF-1 level does organ enlargement begin? If I keep my HGH and IGF-1 levels at the upper end of the reference range or just slightly above the range, will organ enlargement happen?

This is not about individual responses and different people reacting differently. There is a specific level that must be surpassed on a first place before abnormal organ growth begins.

again, u fundamentally misunderstand something.. and because of that id suggest hold off as you have valid concerns and shouldn't take something that WILL cause those concerns. you make a statement that "There is a specific level that must be surpassed on a first place before abnormal organ growth begins." please share this with us, or ur just guessing? abnormal growth will begin when hair growth speeds or skin growth speeds up, not sure why that is confusing ITS GH. your body is pretty magic with checks and balances. everyones body reacts differently esp with hormones

anyhoo as Alex said, ur asking for an answer you WANT to hear and dont want to hear reality.

 

[hghlover]

ya im not sure what this kid wants, some magic safe amount that gives most benefit but 0 side effects.


again, u fundamentally misunderstand something.. and because of that id suggest hold off as you have valid concerns and shouldn't take something that WILL cause those concerns. you make a statement that "There is a specific level that must be surpassed on a first place before abnormal organ growth begins." please share this with us, or ur just guessing? abnormal growth will begin when hair growth speeds or skin growth speeds up, not sure why that is confusing ITS GH. your body is pretty magic with checks and balances. everyones body reacts differently esp with hormones

anyhoo as Alex said, ur asking for an answer you WANT to hear and dont want to hear reality.

Come on, you know he has a valid point. Everything in moderation. Even water in high enough amounts can kill you. It's not an unfair assumption that there's a very broad and generel cut off score, where venturing into higher HGH doses substantially increases the risk of permanent negative sides (organ growth etc). There's a reason why a lot of people advocate moderate doses of 3-4 iu. Sure, you can go ahead and blast 10-20 iu longterm, but risk wise you're on your own.

 

[clearheaded]

Come on, you know he has a valid point. Everything in moderation. Even water in high enough amounts can kill you. It's not an unfair assumption that there's a very broad and generel cut off score, where venturing into higher HGH doses substantially increases the risk of permanent negative sides (organ growth etc). There's a reason why a lot of people advocate moderate doses of 3-4 iu. Sure, you can go ahead and blast 10-20 iu longterm, but risk wise you're on your own.

know anyone who ran 2iu for 5+ years? how's there gut.. with no imaging its speculation. that being said if ur taking enough to notice alot more health hair growth chances are organs are growing faster too... now how much and how long u have to run it for clinical significance is unknown..

but yes, moderation is the best idea, but no # is known or could be known due to everyones different body chemistry.

the best idea would be get several tests with igf and gh before trying and slowly titrate up to slightly above that..but at that point prob won't see much benefit anyway..

 

[Benf15harp]

the amount of hgh to get to the upper common range could be 1iu or could be 10. Id start with 2.

 

[ThinBulk]

Results from a dose are not significantly different among individuals. 2 different people may not get the same HGH level from 1.5 IUs, but the level will still be similar, with small variations.

You made it looks like someone can get 100 ng/mL from 1.5 IUs a say, while someone else can get 0.2 ng/dL from the same dose. This is not how it works.

Whatever results you get from 1.5 IUs, I will get similar results.

It seems like you don't grasp the mechanics. GH blood levels seem to range well with dose. This is how people tell if their chinese GH is real or not. IGF-1 is completely personal whether it's high or not. It also seems to have great personal variability with diet, calorie intake, etc. One person taking 3iu could easily have 4x the IGF-1 response as someone else to the same exact dose.

From different studies i've read, most of the growth and action comes from IGF-1, and not the GH. In tendon studies, the fastest growth, healing, and remodeling came from the synergistic effects of GH and IGF-1 being elevated at the same time. GH alone does very little.

I have never come across an answer to what levels of IGF-1 start organ growth, but if I was looking for that data, i'd read up on studies of acromegaly. The've definitely defined the hormone range that causes the condition to continue. After that, you can probably at least know a range to stay away from. It's most likely well below what you'd get from 3iu, but again, this is something specific to only you. It will require testing and still vary based on your current lifestyle.

 

[smartgear]

It seems like you don't grasp the mechanics. GH blood levels seem to range well with dose. This is how people tell if their chinese GH is real or not. IGF-1 is completely personal whether it's high or not. It also seems to have great personal variability with diet, calorie intake, etc. One person taking 3iu could easily have 4x the IGF-1 response as someone else to the same exact dose.

From different studies i've read, most of the growth and action comes from IGF-1, and not the GH. In tendon studies, the fastest growth, healing, and remodeling came from the synergistic effects of GH and IGF-1 being elevated at the same time. GH alone does very little.

I have never come across an answer to what levels of IGF-1 start organ growth, but if I was looking for that data, i'd read up on studies of acromegaly. The've definitely defined the hormone range that causes the condition to continue. After that, you can probably at least know a range to stay away from. It's most likely well below what you'd get from 3iu, but again, this is something specific to only you. It will require testing and still vary based on your current lifestyle.

GH alone can elevated IGF-1 as well. Yes, IGF-1 depends on diet, but GH can elevated it, even if the diet is not optimal.

 

[clearheaded]

GH alone can elevated IGF-1 as well. Yes, IGF-1 depends on diet, but GH can elevated it, even if the diet is not optimal.

thats his point.

 

[ThinBulk]

GH alone can elevated IGF-1 as well. Yes, IGF-1 depends on diet, but GH can elevated it, even if the diet is not optimal.

No one here is talking about pinning IGF-1. IGF-1 is our context is mainly made through the interaction of GH in the liver. You need to just spend a few hours a day reading all the threads in this forum, and take some of the advise given.

 

[Ateam2023]

there is a reason i've givin him "@dumbgear" for his handle lmao , most all his questions had he done some more reading( plenty of posts) and studying he wouldn't have to ask such ridiculous questions at times, I thought there wasn't a such thing as " dumb questions " but this kat has asked more than a few .....

 

[AlexDavis43]

No one here is talking about pinning IGF-1.

Some people (myself included) talk about pinning IGF-1 LR3, IGF-1 DES, and Increlex.

 

[songsofpyramids]

Increlex

How was it? I’m so intrigued by increlex but it’s way too far outside my price range.

 

[sneak007]

Bro is basically thinking that he can go above his own NATURAL gh levels and not get any UNNATURAL growth out of it

 

[ThinBulk]

Some people (myself included) talk about pinning IGF-1 LR3, IGF-1 DES, and Increlex.

I wasn't saying people don't pin those separately. Just that no one in his thread is talking about it. I'm trying to work on one concept at a time lol.