Ostarine Shut Me Down - PCT

[kwealth]

Decided to try a 6-week Ostarine-only cycle at 7.5-12.5mg/day. That's a low dose compared to what most are doing. Product was dosed at 50mg/mL so getting an exact dose was tough. First cycle I've ever done of anything. Wanted to try something mild as a kick-start.

My baseline bloods are from August 2012, but besides being 1.5 years older, nothing has changed. Baseline:

Total test: 565
LH: 1.9
FSH: 1.6
Estradiol: 18.0

Yesterday:

Total test: 140
LH: 1.5
FSH: 1.0
Estradiol: 11.8

Liver values not affected at all, they stayed quite low. My HDL has run between 55-65 in the past, it dropped to 37. Total cholesterol only 140 though so the ratio isn't terribly out of whack.

I guess I was pretty sensitive to this stuff. Can someone give me a PCT recommendation? This level of suppression caught me off-guard a bit. Thanks.

 

[tubesox]

Decided to try a 6-week Ostarine-only cycle at 7.5-12.5mg/day. That's a low dose compared to what most are doing. Product was dosed at 50mg/mL so getting an exact dose was tough. First cycle I've ever done of anything. Wanted to try something mild as a kick-start.

My baseline bloods are from August 2012, but besides being 1.5 years older, nothing has changed. Baseline:

Total test: 565
LH: 1.9
FSH: 1.6
Estradiol: 18.0

Yesterday:

Total test: 140
LH: 1.5
FSH: 1.0
Estradiol: 11.8

Liver values not affected at all, they stayed quite low. My HDL has run between 55-65 in the past, it dropped to 37. Total cholesterol only 140 though so the ratio isn't terribly out of whack.

I guess I was pretty sensitive to this stuff. Can someone give me a PCT recommendation? This level of suppression caught me off-guard a bit. Thanks.

start eating clomid 50, 50, 25, 25 @ 6 weeks you shouldn't need HCG or anything terribly strong...I would also take 100mg the first day of that clomid run

 

[Big_k]

Hey Bro, just got some Ostarine as well, I was going to put it in my PCT but not 100% sure yet. Probably not good to experiment.


I know it's suppressive, but damn that's fairly suppressive, maybe you're sensitive.

 

[ApeShitFuckJacked]

This was 1.5 years ago?

That is scary...I hate to say this but pct is not going to do anything for you most likely.

Your best bet is HCG and I wouldn't put a lot of hope into it.

Try two weeks HCG 2000iu EOD

Then try two weeks clomid and nolva.

If it doesn't help long term at least you will feel much better while your doing it.

Two weeks after you stop the clomid I would get another blood test and if your still below 400 it's time for trt

 

[ApeShitFuckJacked]

Or wait you got the bloods done 1.5 years ago and you just ended your first cycle recently?

If that is the case then you are fine just run some nolva and clomid and you'll be g2g in no time.

 

[kwealth]

Thanks for the advice.

Yeah original bloods were 1.5 years ago. I didn't do baseline bloods before starting this cycle because I didn't use anything over the past 1.5 years that would significantly affect values.

So yeah, relatively low dose 7.5-12.5mg/day Ostarine crushed me pretty good in just 4.5 weeks. I wonder if it's because my LH/FSH runs low to begin with.

Since estradiol is low, I guess I only need Clomid for this...that make sense?

 

[BigSha]

Hmmm , thats pretty bad info for me as well . I have an order placed for some Ostarine and PHs . I was hoping to run it precycle with some GW1516 to lean up a bit more and gain some strength . I was also hoping inclucing it in my pct and after it to orevent loosing much gains but .... crap . I have read lately really much on this theme . Some people got shut and some not . But i have never seen a blood panel so we can all just be guessing if the guys that posted were really shut or not. I will guinea pig myself then precycle. If i feel libido isssue so then i am shut down , I am having blood done next thursday . I just dont want to keep on pinnih with peptides ... but screw it ... i willl get some sermorelin with GHRH 2/6 keep us updated

 

[tubesox]

Thanks for the advice.

Yeah original bloods were 1.5 years ago. I didn't do baseline bloods before starting this cycle because I didn't use anything over the past 1.5 years that would significantly affect values.

So yeah, relatively low dose 7.5-12.5mg/day Ostarine crushed me pretty good in just 4.5 weeks. I wonder if it's because my LH/FSH runs low to begin with.

Since estradiol is low, I guess I only need Clomid for this...that make sense?

makes sense.

 

[Manski]

Never ever use Ostarine during pct, counter productive. Only use during cycle my friend.

 

[BigSha]

So, what would be a smart oral option to help with keeping the gains ( except training hard and eating right ) ??? I have also GW 1516 on the way but i think it works better for fat loss if it works at all , i am giving it a shot .

 

[Manski]

Most guyes bridge with a cruise dose of test like 250/mg to 500mg. Really thers nothing non suppressive to take to help keep gains effectively in my opinion. I usually start up on my creatine between cycles and from and of winter bulk to summer cut I run clen, 2 weeks on then ephedrine for 2 weeks then back to clen. Clen helps keep my strength up and it non suppressive.

 

[hmart]

Ostarine is bullshit, I did a similar cycle a few years ago. All I got was suppression of the HPTA.

You should bounce quickly using 50 mg clomid + 10 mg tamoxifen. I don't think you will need HCG because you weren't completely shutdown for 6 weeks.

 

[ApeShitFuckJacked]

Yeah you'll come back In a few weeks no sweat.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Decided to try a 6-week Ostarine-only cycle at 7.5-12.5mg/day. That's a low dose compared to what most are doing. Product was dosed at 50mg/mL so getting an exact dose was tough. First cycle I've ever done of anything. Wanted to try something mild as a kick-start.

My baseline bloods are from August 2012, but besides being 1.5 years older, nothing has changed. Baseline:

Total test: 565
LH: 1.9
FSH: 1.6
Estradiol: 18.0

Yesterday:

Total test: 140
LH: 1.5
FSH: 1.0
Estradiol: 11.8

Liver values not affected at all, they stayed quite low. My HDL has run between 55-65 in the past, it dropped to 37. Total cholesterol only 140 though so the ratio isn't terribly out of whack.

I guess I was pretty sensitive to this stuff. Can someone give me a PCT recommendation? This level of suppression caught me off-guard a bit. Thanks.

Assuming no cycles were done between the baseline [565] and the SARM, there is no need for a PCT. The HPTA will restore quickly. The lower HDL indicates it was an androgen. So moch for those that advocate a SARM PCT!

 

[kwealth]

I wanted to quickly follow-up on my Ostarine PCT. A quick recap:

On August 9th 2012, having never cycled anything, I did a random blood test and had the following results:
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Total test: 565 (348-1197)
Free test: 14.4 (8.7-25.1)
LH: 1.9 (1.7-8.6)
FSH: 1.6 (1.5-12.4)
Estradiol: 18.0 (7.6-42.6)
Cholesterol: 154
Trigs: 51
HDL: 67
LDL: 77
VLDL: 10
------------------

Fast forward nearly 1.5 years....

I started a 7-week Ostarine cycle (can't remember why I ended up doing 7 and not 6 weeks) at approximately 10mg/day on Feb 22, 2014. On March 27, I took a blood test and:
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(no free testosterone this draw)
Total test: 140 (Low)
LH: 1.5 (Low)
FSH: 1.0 (Low)
Estradiol: 11.8
Cholesterol: 140
Trigs: 85
HDL: 37 (Low)
LDL: 86
VLDL: 17
--------------------

I finished the 7-week cycle and ended it on April 11th. I started a PCT on April 15th consisting of 12.5mg Clomid EOD and 5mg Nolvadex EOD...so I alternated them. I ended that PCT on May 15th. I had blood drawn on August 13th at 7:50am:
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(no LH/FSH this draw)
Total test: 747
Free test: 11.7
Estradiol: 8.8
Cholesterol: 147
Trigs: 42
HDL: 62
LDL: 77
VLDL: 8
--------------------

So it looks like I recovered pretty well. My cholesterol numbers recovered completely. I'm a little concerned that my free testosterone is on the low end of the range but more concerned that my estradiol is so low...just barely within the low end of the range. I've read of pretty substantially increased all-cause mortality with estradiol this low. A quick excerpt from http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Critical-to-Aging-Men_01.htm:

The lowest estradiol group that suffered a 317% increased death rate had serum estradiol levels under12.90 pg/mL.

So I'm wondering if should bother trying to increase that low estradiol while raising free test.

 

[Swissbro]

What resulted from the cycle? How much muscle increase after 3, 4 5 weeks ect.

 

[kwealth]

Very little change. Less than 5 lbs gained the entire cycle. I don't have the specifics in front of me, but it's nothing I'll do again.

 

[BimE39]

Old thread but.. i too crashed on ostarine,bloodwork came back saying low LH and FSH,free and total test below midrange and low estradiol.
Had this crash oktober 2016,got bloodwrok in december 2016.

The moment the crash actually happend was weird to observate,a severe panicattack followed by my testicles retracted invards completely,30min or so later they like coming back to their sack,this is what happend,thought i was having a stroke or something,felt like a horrible horror scene or something phucked up!

After this crash i have felt terrible,panicattacks,anxiety,and some depression along with brainfog,poor sleep and sweats.
Did new bloodwork 3 weeks ago and get the results next week.
The doc says he have no knowledge on hormonal-health,because the system does not treat low symptoms,just high he said. Next week im taking my bloodwork to visit a androlog,this field is his job so i guess things will straighten out very soon,i fell like total shit mentally.

 

[TheBigJS]

old thread, but a top find on google for "ostarine surpression" or "ostarine shutdown" so worth mentioning here that with LH: 1.5 and FSH: 1.0 you are not shutdown, not even close and natty T will bounce back once the Ost clears the system which is a few days.

 

[BimE39]

ok so it was a drop in testosterone-level i have experienced? The mental side of it sticks with me even now,anxiety and depression since it happend,could this be caused by low estrogen? i have low estro since this episode..