PCT advice

[Wood4days]

Or you ran bullshit gear... ... very few people can actually say they felt nothing during pct... anyone who has ever crashed their e2, or ran high test for an extended period of time and didn't feel shitty.. well .. I guess ur just lucky then..

I have blood work to back that up.

what about my gains? I'm sure it was legit. I felt hella strong, gained 15lbs in 12 weeks, and got oily pimple face.

 

[Ryno1980]

I have blood work to back that up.

what about my gains? I'm sure it was legit. I felt hella strong, gained 15lbs in 12 weeks, and got oily pimple face.

Like I said... I'm not saying u specifically ran bunk gear.... just that u are obviously one of the few... how old are you

 

[Wood4days]

Do you mind me asking what your cycle and PCT were?

Sure man no problem

Week 1-12
Test e 500mg/week
Primo 400mg/week
Adex .5mg EOD
HGH 5iu 5 days on 2 days off
HCG 500iu/week

PCT 21 days after last pin

Week 1-2
Nolvadex 40, 40
Clomid 100, 100

Week 3-4
Nolvadex 20, 20
Clomid 50, 50

My next cycle will be similar. Things I'm changing; primo to 800mg/week, test e 300 or 400mg/week, and add in anavar 50mg/day. Everything else the same.

 

[Wood4days]

Like I said... I'm not saying u specifically ran bunk gear.... just that u are obviously one of the few... how old are you

I'm 33

 

[telewacker]

Sure man no problem

Week 1-12
Test e 500mg/week
Primo 400mg/week
Adex .5mg EOD
HGH 5iu 5 days on 2 days off
HCG 500iu/week

PCT 21 days after last pin

Week 1-2
Nolvadex 40, 40
Clomid 100, 100

Week 3-4
Nolvadex 20, 20
Clomid 50, 50

My next cycle will be similar. Things I'm changing; primo to 800mg/week, test e 300 or 400mg/week, and add in anavar 50mg/day. Everything else the same.

I wonder how the HGH affected the cycle and recovery? 12 weeks seems like a long time for an oral, even var. Four weeks of var raised my liver enzymes but not enough to worry about. However twelve weeks? I did take Liv 52 for my entire cycle. The var even at 40 mg ED definitely hardened my muscles.

 

[Wood4days]

I wonder how the HGH affected the cycle and recovery? 12 weeks seems like a long time for an oral, even var. Four weeks of var raised my liver enzymes but not enough to worry about. However twelve weeks? I did take Liv 52 for my entire cycle. The var even at 40 mg ED definitely hardened my muscles.

Oh no, var is only for 7 weeks. Sorry ahaha. Towards the last 7 weeks

I have no idea if HGH did anything for the cycle. I heard it works best along side with a test cycle. I just ran it because it's suppose to help with tendon and muscle recovery. My arms were always numb and hands were little fat. Wakes me up middle of night.

 

[telewacker]

Oh no, var is only for 7 weeks. Sorry ahaha. Towards the last 7 weeks

I have no idea if HGH did anything for the cycle. I heard it works best along side with a test cycle. I just ran it because it's suppose to help with tendon and muscle recovery. My arms were always numb and hands were little fat. Wakes me up middle of night.

The worst aspect of my cycle was developing tendonitis in my elbows and right shoulder. I can't bench due to shoulder pain so I'm doing tons of pushups, I can only do hammer curls with light weights and high reps...

Next cycle I'm definitely adding something for my joints. Boldenone? Dunno. I'll have really research it.

Other than that, and the brief misery when my e2 crashed I felt great with no sides, even though my total T measured 4700 five weeks in. I too gained 15 lbs of muscle.

 

[Wood4days]

The worst aspect of my cycle was developing tendonitis in my elbows and right shoulder. I can't bench due to shoulder pain so I'm doing tons of pushups, I can only do hammer curls with light weights and high reps...

Next cycle I'm definitely adding something for my joints. Boldenone? Dunno. I'll have really research it.

Other than that, and the brief misery when my e2 crashed I felt great with no sides, even though my total T measured 4700 five weeks in. I too gained 15 lbs of muscle.

You get tendonitis in the elbow when you pull more than your body can handle. When you on a cycle you get really strong. Your muscles grow and you can pull much much more, but that doesn't mean you should.

Tendons grow and strengthen at a slower rate than muscles.

If you feel pain stop immediately. Drop weight.

 

[telewacker]

You get tendonitis in the elbow when you pull more than your body can handle. When you on a cycle you get really strong. Your muscles grow and you can pull much much more, but that doesn't mean you should.

Tendons grow and strengthen at a slower rate than muscles.

If you feel pain stop immediately. Drop weight.

Yeah. That's exactly what happened. Plus exogenous Test lowers collagen production.

 

[telewacker]

Ok so 15 days after my last pin I got my T tested, and as I suspected it was >1500 ng/dl, so I really don't have a number. This was from my doc...should I just go ahead and order a more comprehensive (and expensive) test from the online service I use? I imagine I'll get the results close to the 21 day timeline. Again my natty is 917 and at 5 weeks I was 4700 which seems pretty high so maybe in my case 21 days is too early for PCT but without a number I can't be certain. Is it safe to assume I was around 4700 for the whole cycle after 3-4 weeks?

Oh yeah. I can still smell the oil emanating from my skin pretty much as strong as ever suggesting there's still plenty in my system. I love that smell and will miss it!

 

[Ryno1980]

Ok so 15 days after my last pin I got my T tested, and as I suspected it was >1500 ng/dl, so I really don't have a number. This was from my doc...should I just go ahead and order a more comprehensive (and expensive) test from the online service I use? I imagine I'll get the results close to the 21 day timeline. Again my natty is 917 and at 5 weeks I was 4700 which seems pretty high so maybe in my case 21 days is too early for PCT but without a number I can't be certain. Is it safe to assume I was around 4700 for the whole cycle after 3-4 weeks?

Oh yeah. I can still smell the oil emanating from my skin pretty much as strong as ever suggesting there's still plenty in my system. I love that smell and will miss it!

How old are you? And if your natty test was over 900 why would you even fuck with that? Not trying to be a dick but thats crazy.. there are people who never have a natty test level of 900
.

 

[telewacker]

How old are you? And if your natty test was over 900 why would you even fuck with that? Not trying to be a dick but thats crazy.. there are people who never have a natty test level of 900
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53. I had great results from this cycle. Gained 15 lbs of lean body mass. High natty T or no it was getting hard to get results anymore. I'm at the lab now getting a more comprehensive test so I'll have the real number and can then hopefully calculate the right time to start PCT.

 

[Ryno1980]

53. I had great results from this cycle. Gained 15 lbs of lean body mass. High natty T or no it was getting hard to get results anymore. I'm at the lab now getting a more comprehensive test so I'll have the real number and can then hopefully calculate the right time to start PCT.

Wow! 53 and ur natty test was over 900? Impressive sir... i was expecting you to say u were 23..

 

[telewacker]

Wow! 53 and ur natty test was over 900? Impressive sir... i was expecting you to say u were 23..

Yes my doc said it was an amazing number. I've always been "young" for my age and highly physical. For the last 20 yrs I've been an avid mountain biker which is a brutal workout. I suppose that helps as well as just having the right genes. Anyway at this age AAS seemed like a good move and as long as my PCT goes well and my HPTA resets properly it will have proven to be so.