PCT after 1 year on?

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Hi i did first 3 months 700mg test , then 2 month cruise 250mg , then 10 weeks with 350mg tren ace , and since september im on just cruise test ( so 5 months cruise), tapering off from 250 to now 160-170mg test a week. I made my gains solid as fck , i want to come off and was thinking of the power pct of dr scally
with hcg eod first week and then clomid.
Should i add triptorelin ? i want to do the best pct possible and dont want to lose any gains if possible... cus like now im on high normal test level so i should be able to keep this body naturally too... any advice?
 
Hi i did first 3 months 700mg test , then 2 month cruise 250mg , then 10 weeks with 350mg tren ace , and since september im on just cruise test ( so 5 months cruise), tapering off from 250 to now 160-170mg test a week. I made my gains solid as fck , i want to come off and was thinking of the power pct of dr scally
with hcg eod first week and then clomid.
Should i add triptorelin ? i want to do the best pct possible and dont want to lose any gains if possible... cus like now im on high normal test level so i should be able to keep this body naturally too... any advice?
It's possible to fully recover, but it may take several months of HCG (and HMG or FSH, if possible) use.
SERMs (Clomid, Nolva) ain't advised yet as they can cause nasty, hard to reverse visual side-effects from long term use.
HCG on the other hand is a very safe long term drug.

Recovery of spermatogenesis following testosterone replacement therapy or anabolic-androgenic steroid use
 
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Hi i did first 3 months 700mg test , then 2 month cruise 250mg , then 10 weeks with 350mg tren ace , and since september im on just cruise test ( so 5 months cruise), tapering off from 250 to now 160-170mg test a week. I made my gains solid as fck , i want to come off and was thinking of the power pct of dr scally
with hcg eod first week and then clomid.
Should i add triptorelin ? i want to do the best pct possible and dont want to lose any gains if possible... cus like now im on high normal test level so i should be able to keep this body naturally too... any advice?
What do you mean by the last part 'now im on a high normal test level so should be able to keep this body naturally '? Are you planning on continuing to cruse? If so there isn't a reason to pct. If you are coming off everything, then do the power pct. It's going to take awhile to recover, and like Eman said id worry more about hpta recovery than losing gains. How old are you?
 
The fact that you went that lomv without running a PCT and taking a break shows you aren't ready for AAS. Maturity plays a huge role when it comes to AAS, you realize cycling for a year straight with no PCT is enough to make you rely on TRT for the rest of your life? Its your life, do what you want but just my .02.
 
The fact that you went that lomv without running a PCT and taking a break shows you aren't ready for AAS. Maturity plays a huge role when it comes to AAS, you realize cycling for a year straight with no PCT is enough to make you rely on TRT for the rest of your life? Its your life, do what you want but just my .02.

God ur annoying as fuck. Its his body, he will do what he wants. If you're not gunna help him and just bash him then get the fuck outta here.

WIth that said, if I were you I would load up on HCG, clomid and nolvadex. Start running the hcg asap. maybe run it for a month or so, then cut out the test while continuing the hcg. Once you cut the test, use the hcg at 1000iu, or 500 iu 3x a week, maybe more or less for another 2 weeks. Then drop the hcg and run clomid at 100 mgs / nolva at 40 mgs for 2-4 weeks. Then drop clomid to 50 mgs/ nolva 20 mgs for another 2 20mgs-4 weeks. Then drop clomid and continue on nolva for another 2-4 weeks. If you dont feel sides from clomid mayb continue with it at 25 mgs with the nolva at 20mgs. This is what I would do. IMO i would rather do an overkill on PCT than not enough.
 
I disagree with the HCG stuff and the Scally protocol. HCG is only useful to determine if your testicles work. That's it. Studies about its use post-TRT are not that relevant with respect to AAS abuse. There are just as many studies about the effectiveness of Clomid. The side effects are non-existent at low doses.

I would recommend 12.5mg per day for 6-12 months. Wait 6-8 weeks, and get bloodwork done. You shouldn't feel any sides on 12.5mg per day, and it should get your testosterone levels up to a functional level.
Outside of the fact HCG is suppressive, you get too much estrogen conversion. I am not a fan of crazy cocktails. Months of HCG injections, tweaking AIs, throwing in nolvadex (which is useless), and Clomid.

Just use Clomid.
 
Hi i did first 3 months 700mg test , then 2 month cruise 250mg , then 10 weeks with 350mg tren ace , and since september im on just cruise test ( so 5 months cruise), tapering off from 250 to now 160-170mg test a week. I made my gains solid as fck , i want to come off and was thinking of the power pct of dr scally
with hcg eod first week and then clomid.
Should i add triptorelin ? i want to do the best pct possible and dont want to lose any gains if possible... cus like now im on high normal test level so i should be able to keep this body naturally too... any advice?

I have to say, where did u get the idea to cruise on near trt doses for the last 5 months?

Your logic had some serious holes in It.

Those gains you made "solid as fuck", you're about to loose all out on now that you PCT, because you shut yourself down for so long!
 
@grey I have been going to the doctor and I haven’t been getting the best answers like one Endo told me to go cold turkey & another told me to drop to 50mg on mon and by Friday get my lh and fsh tested to see where that’s at (but I’d still be surpressed) and I’ve found more useful info on google and I can’t be the only one who feels like doctors don’t care and rush you out of the room...
 
@grey I have been going to the doctor and I haven’t been getting the best answers like one Endo told me to go cold turkey & another told me to drop to 50mg on mon and by Friday get my lh and fsh tested to see where that’s at (but I’d still be surpressed) and I’ve found more useful info on google and I can’t be the only one who feels like doctors don’t care and rush you out of the room...

Yeah, that is some shite doctoring....

I would advise doctor shopping, even going as far as looking for fertility specialists online if you are in a remote area.

GPs and normal endocrinologists aren't often the best sources here. Sadly.

I had similar experiences for different issues, finally found one who listened and knew his shit. Worth the hunt.
 
Yeah, that is some shite doctoring....

I would advise doctor shopping, even going as far as looking for fertility specialists online if you are in a remote area.

GPs and normal endocrinologists aren't often the best sources here. Sadly.

I had similar experiences for different issues, finally found one who listened and knew his shit. Worth the hunt.

I’m happy for you that you found someone man that’s such a blessing and to be honest with you I have no idea where to look and for what your recommending, do they accept insurance’s & if you could help lead me in the right direction with finding someone similar to what you found, where would I go?
 
After a YEAR of running AAS, PCT is a must but the absence of pre and post cycle labs is reason for endless PCT "failures".

But Trioto NOT

IDK why some become preoccupied with the preservation of gains KNOWING that which was largely responsible, as in AAS, will be discontinued.

If the stimuli for muscular development is removed, SKM anabolic activity will decline and with that GAINS.
 
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Yeah, that is some shite doctoring....

I would advise doctor shopping, even going as far as looking for fertility specialists online if you are in a remote area.

GPs and normal endocrinologists aren't often the best sources here. Sadly.

I had similar experiences for different issues, finally found one who listened and knew his shit. Worth the hunt.

And there's a good reason for advise along those lines from a medical perspective; HTPA recovery can be expected in the majority of YOUTH who CYCLE AAS.

But trouble lurks around the corner in those who "blast N cruise" as endogenous recovery can become problematic and is NOT guaranteed per se, especially in the short term.
 
do they accept insurance’s

Frequently the doc (these sorts of specialists anyway) won't deal with insurance at all, but that doesn't mean your insurance won't accept and pay for some or all the bills. It is mostly dependent on the plan you have.

You end up acting as the insurance billing agent instead of the doc (this means you pay up front and wait for potential reimbursement).

if you could help lead me in the right direction with finding someone similar to what you found, where would I go?

Not sure where you live, but generally searching for fertility specialists is a good place to start. My search was slightly different, but ended with anti-aging specialists which is not what I had expected at the start.

If comfortable, asking your GP and/or endo to recommend a good fertility specialist is fine too.

Once you get into online practice... well, shit... no good way to say this, but there are a LOT of unscrupulous fucks selling hope and snake oil mixed in there with a very few reputable practitioners. Hard to separate the wheat from chaff.

Ideally, you find someone you can drive to see.


HTPA recovery can be expected in the majority of YOUTH who CYCLE AAS.
Yes sir... I agree, if he had been cycling, this is pretty much what I would expect the docs to say... (well not the 50mg dose bit but the cold-turkey bit).

After 4 years though... I mean, I guess it wouldn't have to be catastrophic to go cold turkey and just see what happens, but seems less than ideal, maybe even veering into actual harm territory if what ends up being seen is nothing (depending on how long it went on as well).

Dunno, just doesn't feel like a well managed risk after that long. Though the length of the cycle wasn't a well manged risk in and of itself for sure.
 
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