PCT after 2 year Blast cruise

[b6798045]

Started AAS at 24 years old. Using non-stop for 2 years and decided, that this is not for me anymore.

Pre AAS:
Total T - 4.33 (2.3 - 9)
Free T - 21.31 (7 - 22.7)
Estradiol - 15 (11 - 44)
SHBG, Albumin, FSH, LH - didn't measure

1st Cycle (2024 May - August) 14 weeks + 5 weeks cruise 150 mg Test P per week (applies for every cycle post Blast):
- Test P 280 mg (weekly dosage)

2nd Cycle 14 weeks: (October - January)
- Test P 350 mg
- NPP 210 mg
- HCG 300 IU EOD

3rd Cycle 14 weeks: (February - May)
- Test P 420 mg
- NPP 270 mg
- Arimidex 0,5 mg EOD
- HCG 300 EOD

4th Cycle 16 weeks (contest prep): (June - September)
- Test P 280 mg
- Mast P 280 mg
- Arimidex 0,5 mg EOD
- last 3 weeks Tbol 2x20 mg ED
- HCG 300 EOD until 5 weeks out

TRT 175 mg Test E for 8 weeks (October - November)
This dose puts me at Total Test 9.79 (2.3-9) and Free Test 43.77 (7-22.7) and Estradiol 59 (no Arimidex).

5th Cycle (last one) for 14 weeks (November - January/February 2025)
- Test E 210 mg
- Mast P 210 mg
- Arimidex 0,25 mg EOD
- GH 3 IU pre bed, IM
- no HCG

My reasoning for not completely stop now is due to fear of 19-nor, since they can be present a bit longer than their half life (downstream metabolites).

Reading all about PCT, I concluded that there are (for me) 2 options:
- Until all ASS cleared from my system (so using Steroid plotter half life for Test E, that means starting HCG 35 days after last shoot - 5x half life), use HCG 1000-2000 IU EOD 2-3 weeks then wait 4 days to start Nolva 20 mg ED for 6 - 8 weeks.
- Use HCG IU EOD for 35 days immediately after last Test E shoot (as "monotherapy"), then wait 4 days and use Nolva 10 mg ED 6 - 8 weeks (based on r/steroids forum).

I will probably use the second method.
Will post blood work results every 6 weeks when starting PCT. Will measure Total and Free Test, SHBG, Albumin, FSH, LH, Prolactin, Estradiol.

 

[b6798045]

HCG 500 IU EOD for second option, forgot to write it in first post

 

[b6798045]

Change of plans.
I decided, that from this day (14. 11. 2024) will do PCT. I stopped injections 2 days prior.
Still need to check if my HCG is real (Pregnyl 5000 IU), pregnancy test came negative, will test beta hcg tumor marker.
Took 2500 IU HCG tuesday and will thursday, friday blood work.
If fake, then probably will do only Nolva.

 

[b6798045]

Week 0:
- BW: 74.2 kg.
- BF: ca. 8-9 % (still lean from BB contest).
- Split: Push/Legs/Rest/Back/Rest repeat.
- Macros: carb cycling
Off day 3000 kcal (260 g protein, 310 g carbs, 80 g fat
Training day 3400 kcal (220 g protein, 530 g carbs, 45 g fat)
- Strenght (Incline dumbell press -- 3 sets, 2 sec negative, 1 sec pause at bottom, explosive concentric, 2/3 ROM): 22.5 kg for 12 reps each set, puts me at 9 RPE.
- Visual changes: none, still full, vascular and muscle separation very visible.
- Mood: slightly tired (job and maybe HCG).
- Libido: morning wood +; endurance +

 

[b6798045]

Supplements (daily, some weekly or only on training days):
- Omega 3: 3x 1 g (1080 mg EPA, 720 mg DHA).
- Evening primrose oil: 2x 1 g (240 mg GLA) with omega 3.
- Methyl folate: 1x 400 µg.
- B12: 1x per week 500 µg.
- Vitamin D3: 1x 8000 IU
- Vitamin K2: 1x 200 µg every other day.
- Milk thisle: 3x 200 mg (I have Gilberts syndrome - abnormally high bilirubin).
- Berberine: 3x 500 mg (breakfast, pre and post workout meal).
- NAC: 2x 500 mg.
- Grape seed extract: 2x 200 mg.
- Zinc: 1x 50 mg.
- Vitamin C: 3x 300 mg long acting.
- MSM: 4 g.
- Taurine: 5 g.
- Saw Pallmeto: 300 mg

Pre workout:
- citruline malate: 12 g.
- caffeine: 200 mg.
- Calcium 200 mg.
- Tyrosine: 1200 mg.
- TMG: 4 g.

 

[Excel.exe]

3rd Cycle 14 weeks: (February - May)
- Test P 420 mg
- NPP 270 mg
- Arimidex 0,5 mg EOD
- HCG 300 EOD

Doesn't Nandrolone metabolites stay in your system for like a year?

 

[b6798045]

Doesn't Nandrolone metabolites stay in your system for like a year?

Post in thread 'NPP Clearance time'

Jun 3, 2023

"Plasma testosterone concentrations were most rapidly and completely suppressed within the first week after injections of the phenylpropionate ester, but this suppression was sustained for the shortest time. The duration of suppression was significantly longest after the gluteal 1-ml injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations returned to base line by day 13 after the phenylpropionate ester but required >20 days to return to base-line levels after the decanoate ester." Minto CF, Howe C, Wishart S, Conway AJ, Handelsman DJ. Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone...

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[Excel.exe]

Post in thread 'NPP Clearance time'

Jun 3, 2023

"Plasma testosterone concentrations were most rapidly and completely suppressed within the first week after injections of the phenylpropionate ester, but this suppression was sustained for the shortest time. The duration of suppression was significantly longest after the gluteal 1-ml injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations returned to base line by day 13 after the phenylpropionate ester but required >20 days to return to base-line levels after the decanoate ester." Minto CF, Howe C, Wishart S, Conway AJ, Handelsman DJ. Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone...

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjx1U6PKFA

 

[Ghoul]

PCT after 2 years of continuous use is called TRT.

 

[b6798045]

PCT after 2 years of continuous use is called TRT.

Why would you think so? HPTA took to much damage?

 

[Ghoul]

Why would you think so? HPTA took to much damage?

I prefer to think of it as "adaptation" rather than damage. At 24 you're passed the point of increasing testosterone production and in the natural steady slope downwards. After two years, I think it's highly unlikely whatever you bounce back to will be what it otherwise would be had you not touched gear.

I guess you can see where you land and decide if that level of hypogonadism is mild enough to be tolerable, or if it impacts your quality of life too much and getting on TRT is better.

 

[b6798045]

Week 1:
- BW: 74.3 kg.
- BF: 9 %.
- Off day 2900 kcal (255 g protein, 290 g carbs, 80 g fat).
- Training day 3300 kcal (215 g protein, 510 g carbs, 45 g fat).
- Strenght (Incline dumbell press): 22.5 kg for 12 reps each set, 9 RPE.
- Visual changes: same as Week 0.
- Mood: feeling normal.
- Libido: same as Week 0.

 

[DugPrime]

Is there any particular reason for doing a PCT, rather than staying on TRT?

 

[b6798045]

Is there any particular reason for doing a PCT, rather than staying on TRT?

Want to see, if I can live without them or at least as long as possible.

 

[Based]

Keep this log going. It will be interesting to see how your recovery goes.

I think most people under 40 can recover even after B&C a long time, the problem is that you will probably feel shit for quite a while.

I suggest you look up Pete Rubbish, he "recovered" after being on for 9 years. He hit 500 ng/dl after more than 3 years off. So yeah it depends what you qualify as recovery but I think after 9 years its as good as its going to get.

 

[Jin23]

Change of plans.
I decided, that from this day (14. 11. 2024) will do PCT. I stopped injections 2 days prior.
Still need to check if my HCG is real (Pregnyl 5000 IU), pregnancy test came negative, will test beta hcg tumor marker.
Took 2500 IU HCG tuesday and will thursday, friday blood work.
If fake, then probably will do only Nolva.

PCT's after such a long time ON take a very long time. Your gonads need to come back alive first, so using hcg while still on for a month or two, or more is a good idea. After that, you can expect to be on serms for quite while as getting LH up to your normal level will also take some time.

In your case, seeing as you stopped without using hcg prior, it would be smart to take larger hcg dosages for a while then drop down to smaller dosages and start using a serm. Hcg is suppressive but at smaller dosages not to the point where a serm wouldn't still help.

People do fully or almost fully recover but it can take up to a year or two for that to happen. So don't give up to soon.

Regarding the hcg not showing up on the pregnancy test, that could be because it's alpha isomer and not beta.

 

[b6798045]

PCT's after such a long time ON take a very long time. Your gonads need to come back alive first, so using hcg while still on for a month or two, or more is a good idea. After that, you can expect to be on serms for quite while as getting LH up to your normal level will also take some time.

In your case, seeing as you stopped without using hcg prior, it would be smart to take larger hcg dosages for a while then drop down to smaller dosages and start using a serm. Hcg is suppressive but at smaller dosages not to the point where a serm wouldn't still help.

People do fully or almost fully recover but it can take up to a year or two for that to happen. So don't give up to soon.

Regarding the hcg not showing up on the pregnancy test, that could be because it's alpha isomer and not beta.

Yea I also went to do blood work beta HCG - tumor marker, where they test intact hcg and beta hcg. It came back negative. So probalby is alfa or fake. But when I took it 300 IU EOD I saw some effects like fuller testicles and more semen volume. But I will try Driadas HCG now, it's alfa (they confirmed). But I need to wait now until it arrives. Probably will start taking it at Week 4 as monotherapy 300 IU EOD, then 1500 E3D for 2-3 weeks, then taper down. (It will depend on my bloodwork).

 

[Jin23]

Yea I also went to do blood work beta HCG - tumor marker, where they test intact hcg and beta hcg. It came back negative. So probalby is alfa or fake. But when I took it 300 IU EOD I saw some effects like fuller testicles and more semen volume. But I will try Driadas HCG now, it's alfa (they confirmed). But I need to wait now until it arrives. Probably will start taking it at Week 4 as monotherapy 300 IU EOD, then 1500 E3D for 2-3 weeks, then taper down. (It will depend on my bloodwork).

Had a fella on Driada's hcg and serum biomarkers vise it did nothing. Switched to another and all was fine.

I don't understand your tapering up and down protocol? Start with a higher dose and then just taper down and add a serm.

 

[b6798045]

Had a fella on Driada's hcg and serum biomarkers vise it did nothing. Switched to another and all was fine.

I don't understand your tapering up and down protocol? Start with a higher dose and then just taper down and add a serm.

So he didn't had any affect on Driadas HCG?

Was just thinking of slowly ramping it up, but you're right, I should just hop on max dosages than taper down.

 

[Jin23]

So he didn't had any affect on Driadas HCG?.

Nope