PCT after 2 year Blast cruise

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Jin23, what is the evidence that his natural testosterone level will be higher in August or September if he took a SERM for a couple of weeks now compared to if he ran nothing right now?

Another way of asking this, Is there evidence to support the notion that taking a SERM improves long term outcomes?

Yes, a SERM will improve his hormone levels. There is plenty of evidence for that. But once he stops taking the SERM, and many months later we check back in on him, is there any evidence that his outcome will be better than if he had not taken a SERM?

 

[Jin23]

Jin23, what is the evidence that his natural testosterone level will be higher in August or September if he took a SERM for a couple of weeks now compared to if he ran nothing right now?

Another way of asking this, Is there evidence to support the notion that taking a SERM improves long term outcomes?

Yes, a SERM will improve his hormone levels. There is plenty of evidence for that. But once he stops taking the SERM, and many months later we check back in on him, is there any evidence that his outcome will be better than if he had not taken a SERM?

The difference is time, how long it takes to get there, which matters a lot. And there is also a chance that the end result will be somewhat lower without a serm. For instance, LH might end up at 3 instead of 4 with a serm ... This is really common knowledge at this point, and has been for some time, I'm not sure why this is news to you; have you only b&c and wasn't paying attention to this side of aas use discourse?

 

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I am not trying to be difficult, but I am seriously interested in the answer, so I will ask again. Not there is a chance, not common knowledge, not anecdotes on bodybuilding fora, but what is the evidence? Has this been tested in a well controlled study?

I came off several times to have children, to answer your question to me.

I did a PCT which I modified to include my own quirky ideas about HPTA, which worked and kids were produced, but that does not mean what I did worked as opposed to being coincidental. (I used AI to drive estrogen really, really low, used a serm, and HCG. The HCG was used while still on testosterone, which I tapered off while continuing the HCG and started the SERM early, before the test was completely gone, stopped the HCG continued the SERM while the test was completely tapered off, then stopped the SERM, and had a beer every night after reading an article about small amounts of beer raising testosterone, LOL. AI was used throughout and stopped after the SERM to make sure no negative feedback was occurring from estrogen, which creates a negative signal with respect to testosterone production). It worked.

But I remember reading some studies on Japanese men with different interventions that said everything works, including doing nothing. I cannot find it now. 100% of their study participants regained fertility within 18 months (that was what they were studying, and it was a decently large sample of infertile men who had been using testosterone).

So all I am asking is whether you have actual evidence or just folks discussing it on the forum.

That can be evidence, too, but it is of a weaker sort.

Everything I can find about SERMS indicates it works while using but has no real effect while off, which indicates to me when thinking about it that it can actually set one back, because you are actually delaying recovery time. That is just my opinion, and not a strongly held one at that - I could be 100% wrong. If there are studies of different intervention methods, and using a SERM for PCT works, I would like to see them. I am sure the OP would, too.