PCT after TRT

[DollaBill]

Alright all,

I’ve done a lot of research on PCT after TRT but I get a ton of mixed responses.

I’ve been on TRT for a few years now. I’m 33 years old & my natural test lvls were roughly 175-200. I was young & stupid when I was 18 and did test with no pct. Again, super dumb.

So I’ve dealt with low test for years.

Anyways, I’d rather not have to pin every week for the rest of my life, & not getting all the benefits as I did when I first started. It’s been a lil while since I’ve gotten bloods done, so that could be it.

What is the best way to come off trt and also is there a way to get my natural test much higher than when I started?

I use HCG twice a week already, (I can’t remember the doses off hand) but when coming off test, I believe I’d be pinning high doses every other day. & also have adex

So, has anyone had great experiences coming off TRT? Can you bounce your natural test higher then it was before starting trt? If you have.. what was your pct? Do I need to use clomid forever to get back to a higher natural baseline?

It’s been a long time since I’ve done a PCT

Thanks for responses & help

 

[JC Grifter]

If you had low testosterone before TRT, you’ll have low testosterone if you stop. TRT isn’t a short term treatment and then you start producing more testosterone naturally.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Natural selection didn't select you, why select to be natural?


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[DollaBill]

Well, my old TRT dr told me that I could possibly take clomid long term to possibly up my natural test.

It’s why I’m asking if anyone’s had luck getting their natural back up past baseline

I know it’s probably not probable, but science is getting better daily. So, just wanna hear what ppl have to say ‍

 

[lukiss96]

I have to agree with @JC Grifter and unless you have problems with fertility and need to come of for this or other serious health problems there is no gain here, you will likely worsen your quality of life at least for another half or more year (in case you do actually recover adequate T levels naturally, which is not very likely without being on meds like you mentioned clomid). You will then wish you were on your current TRT. It is the case of if you never lose it you don't understand what you had. If you ever came off cycle to a natural you would know.

 

[clearheaded]

attempting is forsure worth it still pretty young... may take some time but plenty of benefits nt taking drugs time money and there is more produced in testes than testosterone that help wellbeing/health.

steroid forum isn't best place for this particular answer.

 

[DollaBill]

Yeah, I know it’s not the best place. I just know a lot of seasoned vets here with test. Just wanted to see if anyone had more knowledge.

Before I got on test, my quality of life sucked ass.. depressed af, gained a shit load of weight, no energy.. legit all the sides of low test- I had it.

But again, I’m fucking 33.. & was stupid as fuck when I was younger. Was hoping I could “fix” my stupidness from my younger years. Since it wasn’t just genetics saying it didn’t have test to provide. But I guess it’s prolly the same shit by now

 

[rask1123]

Yeah, I know it’s not the best place. I just know a lot of seasoned vets here with test. Just wanted to see if anyone had more knowledge.

Before I got on test, my quality of life sucked ass.. depressed af, gained a shit load of weight, no energy.. legit all the sides of low test- I had it.

But again, I’m fucking 33.. & was stupid as fuck when I was younger. Was hoping I could “fix” my stupidness from my younger years. Since it wasn’t just genetics saying it didn’t have test to provide. But I guess it’s prolly the same shit by now

Theoretically it's possible to get your test higher than it was before, if your testicles are not damaged enough.
But the only way to know is to try.

I'd stop testosterone injections and use HCG 1500IU every 3 days for 1.5-2 months.
After that stop HCG and start Clomid at 100mg/day for 15 days and continue at 50mg/day. After 30 days of 50mg check levels of Total and Free T, LH, FSH, Estradiol, prolactin.
And depending on the result we will see what's going on and how to proceed.

 

[DollaBill]

That is pretty close to what I was going to do.

Have any experience on this? Or professional?

 

[rask1123]

That is pretty close to what I was going to do.

Have any experience on this? Or professional?

That's similar to what's I'm going through and this suggestion was based on on the info acquired from one of the best guys recovering athletes in Eastern Europe for more than a decade

 

[clearheaded]

1500iu per dose is pretty hefty dose...thats a short term fertility type dose. run the risk of that possibility of desensitizing. 1500iu per week is PLENTY per week.. folks even use half of that (250 EOD) as mono therapy and get good levels of test/ball size etc. its one of those things that more isn't better only so many slots for HCG to fit into. and of course the higher u take the longer u have higher levels which means MORE/extended shut down of LH FSH.. ie less may actually work better. as just want to wake up ur nuts get them rocking so when take clomid get natural LH etc.

also good to consult DR as may be able to optimize this based on ur blood tests...

 

[rask1123]

1500iu per dose is pretty hefty dose...thats a short term fertility type dose. run the risk of that possibility of desensitizing. 1500iu per week is PLENTY per week.. folks even use half of that (250 EOD) as mono therapy and get good levels of test/ball size etc. its one of those things that more isn't better only so many slots for HCG to fit into. and of course the higher u take the longer u have higher levels which means MORE/extended shut down of LH FSH.. ie less may actually work better. as just want to wake up ur nuts get them rocking so when take clomid get natural LH etc.

also good to consult DR as may be able to optimize this based on ur blood tests...

You're mixing up protocols for maintaining at least something to prevent calcification of testicles on TRT like 250IU EOD, and protocols to increase the amount of Leydig Cells and improve sensitivity after TRT and steroid cycles.
If you do 1000IU a week from the very beginning, most likely you won't need the more aggressive approach, but that's not always the case.

These are completely different approaches.
Moreover desensitization is temporal, not permanent, it will get back to normal in a bit.

So you may check Dr Michael Scally work and see what is used in such cases.
I'll give you a hint, the most famous protocol in such cases is his 8 shots of 2500IU EOD with high doses of Clomid and Nolva at the same time.
So over the course of 16 days you'll inject 20,000IU.
And now do some math and check, if you inject 1500IU twice a week for 6 weeks it will be only 18,000IU and just 24,000IU for 8 weeks.

It's much lower stimulation just over the longer period of time.

So just stop this BS with HCG protocols from TRT Clinics, they aim different goal

 

[clearheaded]

I am not confused.....amount of Lydia cells increase u say? literature on that? improve sensitivity? mmm naa higher doses decrease lending sensitivity...

1 dr(dis barred) using not scientifically proven method is not "the way" naa....

again we know higher doses do absolutely 0 as only so much cells to activate..

AGAIN, folks love fast and more but as we know thats not what works with hormones.

anyhoo, dont listen to YouTube Drs.... also dont listen to Drs who no longer have a license Ie mike Scully. PROB NOT THE SMARTEST OR BEST DR...

before u jump down someones throat make sure u have at least SOME understanding of what's going on. as very clearly u do not based on claims that of course u have no basis for.

 

[rask1123]

I am not confused.....amount of Lydia cells increase u say? literature on that? improve sensitivity? mmm naa higher doses decrease lending sensitivity...

1 dr(dis barred) using not scientifically proven method is not "the way" naa....

again we know higher doses do absolutely 0 as only so much cells to activate..

AGAIN, folks love fast and more but as we know thats not what works with hormones.

anyhoo, dont listen to YouTube Drs.... also dont listen to Drs who no longer have a license Ie mike Scully. PROB NOT THE SMARTEST OR BEST DR...

before u jump down someones throat make sure u have at least SOME understanding of what's going on. as very clearly u do not based on claims that of course u have no basis for.

you may read it as "LH receptors increase on Leydig cell membrane", call it whatever.

it's not about fast and more, and despite the fact that Scally lost his license(not because of his lack of knowledge), he has much more experience in AAS and PCT than you, me and the whole forum together.

Again, that's what is used in such cases. If you don't like it and is going to just disagree - don't do it, no one force you.

And looks like I have much better understanding of what's going on than you, obviously. So just cut your BS as you haven't provided a single evidence, just doubts based on your lack of knowledge.

Have a great day.