PCT Shop Test E blood work Norma +his line

[devildog93]

It's great that you tested, but why complicate things by adding compounds? If you are trying to test/diagnose any problem you would want to simplify things as much as possible first, whether it is a mechanical problem or something like this. So now you have multiple compounds with so-so results and are left guessing at the results. It seems like you have 3 choices: 1) the bayer is underdosed while the pct stock is good, or 2) the pct stock is underdosed while the bayer is good, or 3) both are a little underdosed. Bottom line is you are left guessing with testing like this which is why i would keep it simple myself going forward. I'm glad you got a test, but it would have been better to test one or the other instead of both.

 

[lightspan]

Thanks posting your results. It's good to see PCT gear results coming in.
3500 is definitely high enough number to feel the effects and get some good results. It's actually 9x a single injection but I know there's a lot of confusion about the 10x rule, I'm confused about it all myself.
It will be interesting to see results from Norma alone which will be coming up soon.
Once again, thanks for doing the bloods. Glad you got good results in the gym bro.

For 10 weeks in at 800 mg a week these numbers suck. There's nothing confusing about it.

 

[Haunch]

For 10 weeks in at 800 mg a week these numbers suck. There's nothing confusing about it.

I hear what your saying LS. Which is accurate, 10x weekly dose or 10x single injection?

 

[Haunch]

I guess what really matters is what the sickness thought of the cycle and he sounds to be overall happy with it.
It will be good to see numbers on the Norma's alone and see how those guys results were in the gym.
That's what I am saying is confusing to me. The argument about 10x being for a single dose or the entire weekly dose.

 

[lightspan]

I hear what your saying LS. Which is accurate, 10x weekly dose or 10x single injection?

Pharmacokinetics in the study I have (and posted at some point, I'll see if I can find it again) say a single dose should give 10x. The issue here is that he's doing 2x a week, so he has built up a "reserve" or excess of testosterone, above the single weekly dose amount, due to the half life being longer than the injection frequency. Short version, after 10 weeks he should be seeing 7-10x the weekly dose, not the single injection dose. You can look at one of several steroid dose plotters (Google 'em) and see that split dosing of long esters will, over a period of weeks, give a higher serum concentration than a single shot.

 

[Haunch]

Pharmacokinetics in the study I have (and posted at some point, I'll see if I can find it again) say a single dose should give 10x. The issue here is that he's doing 2x a week, so he has built up a "reserve" or excess of testosterone, above the single weekly dose amount, due to the half life being longer than the injection frequency. Short version, after 10 weeks he should be seeing 7-10x the weekly dose, not the single injection dose. You can look at one of several steroid dose plotters (Google 'em) and see that split dosing of long esters will, over a period of weeks, give a higher serum concentration than a single shot.

Thanks, I will Google them and believe me, I understand what you're stating and it makes sense to me. It would be fantastic seeing his numbers at 7 or 8K

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

I guess what really matters is what the sickness thought of the cycle and he sounds to be overall happy with it.
It will be good to see numbers on the Norma's alone and see how those guys results were in the gym.
That's what I am saying is confusing to me. The argument about 10x being for a single dose or the entire weekly dose.

I didn't want to crack and use half a Norma, plus I figured it was ugl so I overcompensated. I am glad now that I was dosing at this amount, because as its my first cycle I was aiming for tt numbers in this range. And since both compounds past labmaxes I figured why not. But I see it is complicated things by using both. But we will get some better answers when dshep gets his bloods done next week

 

[strongsafety41]

Pharmacokinetics in the study I have (and posted at some point, I'll see if I can find it again) say a single dose should give 10x. The issue here is that he's doing 2x a week, so he has built up a "reserve" or excess of testosterone, above the single weekly dose amount, due to the half life being longer than the injection frequency. Short version, after 10 weeks he should be seeing 7-10x the weekly dose, not the single injection dose. You can look at one of several steroid dose plotters (Google 'em) and see that split dosing of long esters will, over a period of weeks, give a higher serum concentration than a single shot.

The line "half life being being longer than the injection frequency" says it all. I've always obtained 8- 10X my weekly dose on Pharm grade point blank.

I think it was @Boilermech and @mghoward74 that both ran test from the same supplier, one guy split dose and the other guy ran weekly dose. Both labs (TT ) results were fairly close.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Aside from all this test numbers bull shit, do you vets think I could have gotten gyno or is it possible to get it with e2 in the 60's? I didn't not notice any gyno signs(itchy nips) but I already have slight pre existing gyno(puffy nips)so it's hard to tell if it got larger(but it doesn't appear to have) but my pec sure did. also do you think switching my dose of aromasin(pharm grade)from 7.5 eod to 7.5 ED should drop it down to a safer level?

 

[strongsafety41]

Aside from all this test numbers bull shit, do you vets think I could have gotten gyno or is it possible to get it with e2 in the 60's? I didn't not notice any gyno signs(itchy nips) but I already have slight pre existing gyno(puffy nips)so it's hard to tell if it got larger(but it doesn't appear to have) but my pec sure did. also do you think switching my dose of aromasin(pharm grade)from 7.5 eod to 7.5 ED should drop it down to a safer level?

I've been in the 60's range without any signs of gyno before. Just got bloods and adjusted my dose. Hell, my E2 has been in the 90's and I had the itchy puffy nipples symptoms. Point is you need E2 to grow as well as testosterone. If you're asymptomatic with E2 in the 60's I wouldn't be too concerned. I've only run asin a few times, so I'm not even going to attempt to giving you an exact dosage. But what I do with Adex is either increase my AI dose or frequency as you mentioned,and recheck my E2 in a few weeks. Only difference is if you want a more accurate E2 level then order the E2 sensitivity.

 

[Mofotyler]

kinda hard to read on phone think it showed 3,500. if that is the case I belive naps genza came back at 3700 at 500 a week. that kinda a bummer to get beat by naps gear I believe.

 

[tacevedo]

@Dshep when are you getting your bloods done bro?

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

@Dshep when are you getting your bloods done bro?

He told me next week

 

[Dshep]

@Dshep when are you getting your bloods done bro?

Monday guys