Performance on anabolics.

[antipcman]

The question of low dose Clen verses EQ is interesting. The problem with Clen is that every person's body reacts differently. Additionally, the dosages vary from RC sites so 40 mics from your guy may =100 mics from mine. But then let say you get that uncomfortable CNS jitter at 60 mics but I get it at 40 (assuming doses are accurate in the latter). Clenbuteral at any dose I've every taken increased my heart rate significantly. In fact I don't think I ever went over 40 micrograms, though I only took it 2x. Also, coenbuterol has been inaccurately assessed to be anabolic in humans. It is in fact quite catabolic. If the goal is to shed weight, Clen/T3 may be the way to go (personally I'd do albuterol instead). However, if the decision comes down to "do I extend my cycle 3 weeks to increase my cardio performance vs do I take Clen for the same reason," EQ is a much clearer, safer, more effective choice; even at 400mg/wk. Additionally, if he stopped EQ on the same day he stopped the test, the effects of the EQ would not diminish completely 3 weeks later. EQ has a long half-life.

 

[guyzcool]

The question of low dose Clen verses EQ is interesting. The problem with Clen is that every person's body reacts differently. Additionally, the dosages vary from RC sites so 40 mics from your guy may =100 mics from mine. But then let say you get that uncomfortable CNS jitter at 60 mics but I get it at 40 (assuming doses are accurate in the latter). Clenbuteral at any dose I've every taken increased my heart rate significantly. In fact I don't think I ever went over 40 micrograms, though I only took it 2x. Also, coenbuterol has been inaccurately assessed to be anabolic in humans. It is in fact quite catabolic. If the goal is to shed weight, Clen/T3 may be the way to go (personally I'd do albuterol instead). However, if the decision comes down to "do I extend my cycle 3 weeks to increase my cardio performance vs do I take Clen for the same reason," EQ is a much clearer, safer, more effective choice; even at 400mg/wk. Additionally, if he stopped EQ on the same day he stopped the test, the effects of the EQ would not diminish completely 3 weeks later. EQ has a long half-life.

Sorry now let me ask, of I picked up a bottle of eq, which I could does eq competE for receptors similarly as Test E, will I see a decrease in anabolic activity with both of them. I wouldn't have a problem with stopping my cycle 3 weeks later that's fine, I have enough Ai's to last me. It just puts one of my triathlons during my Pct which won't be a problem. So likely if I picked up some eq, then I would run it until the Sunday of the 22nd (I think it's a Sunday) and then start Pct 21 days after, does that sound correct?

 

[RodgerThat]

Sorry now let me ask, of I picked up a bottle of eq, which I could does eq competE for receptors similarly as Test E, will I see a decrease in anabolic activity with both of them. I wouldn't have a problem with stopping my cycle 3 weeks later that's fine, I have enough Ai's to last me. It just puts one of my triathlons during my Pct which won't be a problem. So likely if I picked up some eq, then I would run it until the Sunday of the 22nd (I think it's a Sunday) and then start Pct 21 days after, does that sound correct?

No it doesn't sound correct. EQ has an undeconate ester attached it should be stopped 5-6 weeks prior to pct to be out of your system enough to let you recover. This is your first cycle correct? So don't be throwing extras in when you don't need it. Your a long distance athlete so low dose test and really low dose absolutely everything. Try EQ next cycle it's too late with this one. The compounds that will help you in the future are low dose clen 40mcg or less, low dose var 20mg no more, keeping test at 150-250ew and EQ in the future but has to be started same time as test and stopped two weeks prior to stopping test e. Also you do not want to be doing a triathlon during pct saying it won't be a problem is a fools dream.

 

[guyzcool]

No it doesn't sound correct. EQ has an undeconate ester attached it should be stopped 5-6 weeks prior to pct to be out of your system enough to let you recover. This is your first cycle correct? So don't be throwing extras in when you don't need it. Your a long distance athlete so low dose test and really low dose absolutely everything. Try EQ next cycle it's too late with this one. The compounds that will help you in the future are low dose clen 40mcg or less, low dose var 20mg no more, keeping test at 150-250ew and EQ in the future but has to be started same time as test and stopped two weeks prior to stopping test e. Also you do not want to be doing a triathlon during pct saying it won't be a problem is a fools dream.

I do have clen on hand, I tried to do some research to see what is best for performance and it does look likeep what you guys have said. Won't I desensitize to clen if I'm on 40 mcg a day for 2 weeks, or even a week?

 

[guyzcool]

No it doesn't sound correct. EQ has an undeconate ester attached it should be stopped 5-6 weeks prior to pct to be out of your system enough to let you recover. This is your first cycle correct? So don't be throwing extras in when you don't need it. Your a long distance athlete so low dose test and really low dose absolutely everything. Try EQ next cycle it's too late with this one. The compounds that will help you in the future are low dose clen 40mcg or less, low dose var 20mg no more, keeping test at 150-250ew and EQ in the future but has to be started same time as test and stopped two weeks prior to stopping test e. Also you do not want to be doing a triathlon during pct saying it won't be a problem is a fools dream.

One of the reasons I had me cycle end where it did was for some events I'll be doing over the summer... like triathalons, and long distance swims.

 

[RodgerThat]

You don't desensitize to clen. Well you can't have it all then if you are running so many events so close together some of them you will do poorly on if you are in pct. if you follow my original plan laid out I think you have the best chances other then that got nothing for ya.

 

[guyzcool]

You don't desensitize to clen. Well you can't have it all then if you are running so many events so close together some of them you will do poorly on if you are in pct. if you follow my original plan laid out I think you have the best chances other then that got nothing for ya.

The other things are just for fun, no important at all for time. So the 2 weeks before my big event you would suggest clen 40 mcg? That seems do-able. I thought I read somewhere that you have to take Clen on 2 week cycles because you desensitize to it.

 

[RodgerThat]

The other things are just for fun, no important at all for time. So the 2 weeks before my big event you would suggest clen 40 mcg? That seems do-able. I thought I read somewhere that you have to take Clen on 2 week cycles because you desensitize to it.

You take clen on 2 week cycles because it's bad for your health when you are using the higher dosages and you need to give your body a break. Trust me you use clen for 3 months at 120mcg a day you'll still be shaking day 90 you won't desensitize but you will do damage to your body.

 

[Dr JIM]

EQ is stupid at this point as it would extend his cycle an extra 5 weeks past what he already wants at a minimum. Also do some research on clen and you'll realize you do not want to do cardio at the max dosage the only time clen helps performance is at 40mcg or less a day, more is not better for pretty much every single compound. If you want to be at your absolute best cardiovascular shape and dominate for what you are doing I'd suggest pinning up until 9 days prior to your meet then run clen at 40mcg for 9days leading up to your meet and on meet day DO NOT GO MORE THEN THIS it will be counterproductive for your goals. Pct should be started 21-25 days after your last pin for test e and test c.

DO NOT RUN FCKING HALO!!!! You do not have the experience with anabolics to run that compound.

He's only TWENTY, and he has not the experience to run ANY AAS. Another damn accident waiting to happen and rather than the user being faulted AAS will take the heat, COL!

 

[RodgerThat]

He's only TWENTY, and he has not the experience to run ANY AAS. Another damn accident waiting to happen and rather than the user being faulted AAS will take the heat, COL!

oh absolutely my mistake usually I'm on top of the ages on people. OP do not touch AAS for a while. Good catch @Dr JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

The other things are just for fun.

I thought I read somewhere that you have to take Clen on 2 week cycles because you desensitize to it.

That's exactly why your playing around and using AAS, just for "fun
Crap if you were "reading" you wouldn't need to be spoon fed

And when did your AAS abuse begin age 17, you're a foolish child GTFOOH!

 

[guyzcool]

That's exactly why your playing around and using AAS, just for "fun
Crap if you were "reading" you wouldn't need to be spoon fed

And when did your AAS abuse begin age 17, you're a foolish child GTFOOH!

If you would've read the entire thread, I'm not using the aas for the "fun" in my life. It's being used for the competitions. That was good to quote certain portions, and it's really hard to fucking believe that you actually READ about stuff to learn more. Who would've thought of that?

 

[Dr JIM]

What's clear is your 20 years old and haven't the faintest idea WTF your doing.

Your going to crash kiddo and when you do it's going to hurt but rather than your own stupidity AAS will become the scapegoat. Does your mommy know your using AAS and started using in your TEEN YEARS!

Fools give AAS a bad name and you're a FOOL!

 

[guyzcool]

What's clear is your 20 years old and haven't the faintest idea WTF your doing.

Your going to crash kiddo and when you do it's going to hurt but rather than your own stupidity you will blame it all on AAS.

Fools give AAS a bad name and your a FOOL!

And you could be correct. Or you may not be corrected. I guess you'll just have to wait and see. Besides being rude and insulting, you can either ignore me, or you could help. Don't confuse help and enable, you won't be enabling me by doing something in your opinion is wrong. And yes, I do not know 100% what I am doing because I am learning.

 

[antipcman]

That's exactly why your playing around and using AAS, just for "fun
Crap if you were "reading" you wouldn't need to be spoon fed

And when did your AAS abuse begin age 17, you're a foolish child GTFOOH!

Wow. How the piss did I miss that? My apologies.

 

[antipcman]

And you could be correct. Or you may not be corrected. I guess you'll just have to wait and see. Besides being rude and insulting, you can either ignore me, or you could help. Don't confuse help and enable, you won't be enabling me by doing something in your opinion is wrong. And yes, I do not know 100% what I am doing because I am learning.

Dude. You're way too young to be on here. Additionally, do not eff with Clen before a cardio based competition. Period.

 

[Dr JIM]

you could help.


And yes, I do not know 100% what I am doing because I am learning.

By help you mean contribute to the delinquency of a MINOR, try another forum where the objective is the sale of PEDS rather than even a remote concern for consumer health!

You don't "know 100%" really. Such a all or none comment exemplifies what I'm referring to bc I doubt you "know even ONE PERCENT" kido.

Ok maybe I'm wrong really, ok prove it and post A COPY of your pre-AAS labs.

You have been "reading" right?

What is MedLine or PubMed?

Post even one evidence based citation to support the comments you've made already.

What a joke!

 

[guyzcool]

They are biomedical literature, even if I do only know 1% isn't that why we're all here? To expando out knowledge, so at the end of the day I'm even 1% better. I'm not even upset at the harsh criticism because you are a valued member and I have so much to learn even of its not just from you.

 

[antipcman]

They are biomedical literature, even if I do only know 1% isn't that why we're all here? To expando out knowledge, so at the end of the day I'm even 1% better. I'm not even upset at the harsh criticism because you are a valued member and I have so much to learn even of its not just from you.

You're getting some very sound advice from somebody who knows. Trust me man.

 

[guyzcool]

You're getting some very sound advice from somebody who knows. Trust me man.

Yes, I know that he is a very intelligent person, that's why I am glad he's commented on this thread. I have no doubt about everything he's saying. I would very much like to learn from him.