Permanent damage to HPTA

[kosp]

Okay I think this is a crucial topic I am highly concerned, I would appreciate your insight based on experience, logic and science, or all together.

I have a case study proposal,

let's assume the following:

-You cycle between 8 to 12 weeks, no more than that.

-You never use tren (brutally suppresive)

-You always go with your HCG

-You properly PCT and rest between cycles, this is, once you are done with your PCT SERMs, you wait about double time than you spent pinning. Natty is awesome too, and still you can have a lot of fun every year. (Personally I do one cycle per year...)

Now imagine I have been doing this for many years, is there any chance I get my HPTA weaker than a forever natty one?

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Okay I think this is a crucial topic I am highly concerned, I would appreciate your insight based on experience, logic and science, or all together.

I have a case study proposal,

let's assume the following:

-You cycle between 8 to 12 weeks, no more than that.

-You never use tren (brutally suppresive)

-You always go with your HCG

-You properly PCT and rest between cycles, this is, once you are done with your PCT SERMs, you wait about double time than you spent pinning. Natty is awesome too, and still you can have a lot of fun every year. (Personally I do one cycle per year...)

Now imagine I have been doing this for many years, is there any chance I get my HPTA weaker than a forever natty one?

Yes.
There is.

Look at it this way.
Some guys are hypogonadism without ANY gear.

So yes its possible that you're HPTA function will slow or stop.

OR you could be a lucky fucker, a friend of mine refuses to PCT properly, starts his PCT day after last on of Cyp.. runs 3 weeks Nolva and says hes all good.... lol.
Never ran HCG, says Clomid is unnecessary.

Hes been cycling on and off for 8 years, his test is low normal..
After not a single proper PCT and abusing 19nors etc.

So, you might draw a short straw buddy.

 

[kosp]

Yes.
There is.

Look at it this way.
Some guys are hypogonadism without ANY gear.

So yes its possible that you're HPTA function will slow or stop.

OR you could be a lucky fucker, a friend of mine refuses to PCT properly, starts his PCT day after last on of Cyp.. runs 3 weeks Nolva and says hes all good.... lol.
Never ran HCG, says Clomid is unnecessary.

Hes been cycling on and off for 8 years, his test is low normal..
After not a single proper PCT and abusing 19nors etc.

So, you might draw a short straw buddy.

Thank you for your response.

By now, I am that lucky fucker, always bounced back to 710-750 total test, and last time I checked (4 months after cycle) It freaked my out that I did 1000 taking nothing...

 

[kosp]

Yes.
There is.

Look at it this way.
Some guys are hypogonadism without ANY gear.

So yes its possible that you're HPTA function will slow or stop.

OR you could be a lucky fucker, a friend of mine refuses to PCT properly, starts his PCT day after last on of Cyp.. runs 3 weeks Nolva and says hes all good.... lol.
Never ran HCG, says Clomid is unnecessary.

Hes been cycling on and off for 8 years, his test is low normal..
After not a single proper PCT and abusing 19nors etc.

So, you might draw a short straw buddy.

Anyway low normal level doesn't sound that much lucky to me

 

[Dresden]

Yes.
There is.

Look at it this way.
Some guys are hypogonadism without ANY gear.

So yes its possible that you're HPTA function will slow or stop.

OR you could be a lucky fucker, a friend of mine refuses to PCT properly, starts his PCT day after last on of Cyp.. runs 3 weeks Nolva and says hes all good.... lol.
Never ran HCG, says Clomid is unnecessary.

Hes been cycling on and off for 8 years, his test is low normal..
After not a single proper PCT and abusing 19nors etc.

So, you might draw a short straw buddy.

i used to be that way with my PCT, it caught up to me and my sex life was shit for a good while after. Never again

 

[kosp]

i used to be that way with my PCT, it caught up to me and my sex life was shit for a good while after. Never again

It is a very unconscious behavior, lack of education about the thing or just a crazy reckless mind. Is now everything going good?

 

[Dresden]

It is a very unconscious behavior, lack of education about the thing or just a crazy reckless mind. Is now everything going good?

yeah i'm back to normal now, because i was able to get away with it for so long i ignored it....but it's always all good....until it isn't..

 

[kosp]

Some more inputs?

I am optimistic about this, I think it's not that easy to damage your HPTA, in fact, I think it's even really hard to fuck it up. FULL restoration is not a problem if you don't go on too often and take plenty of time off. I think it's pretty much about genetics and lifestyle.

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Some more inputs?

I am optimistic about this, I think it's not that easy to damage your HPTA, in fact, I think it's even really hard to fuck it up. FULL restoration is not a problem if you don't go on too often and take plenty of time off. I think it's pretty much about genetics and lifestyle.

You’re only 24. If you started doing this at 50 you would be saying the opposite. Age is a bigger factor then genetics or lifestyle imo

 

[kosp]

You’re only 24. If you started doing this at 50 you would be saying the opposite. Age is a bigger factor then genetics or lifestyle imo

Soo.....

Best age to steroids is 20s, when restoration is just a breeze

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Soo.....

Best age to steroids is 20s, when restoration is just a breeze

Yes but I started when I was 23 and recovered just fine THEN. I just turned 30 and now my levels have slowly declined over the years. I’ll probably have to get a testosterone prescription within the next 5 years. I also run primo which is about half as suppressive as testosterone.

 

[kosp]

Yes but I started when I was 23 and recovered just fine THEN. I just turned 30 and now my levels have slowly declined over the years. I’ll probably have to get a testosterone prescription within the next 5 years. I also run primo which is about half as suppressive as testosterone.

I guess you didn't respect the conditions all along the years I put in my first post?

 

[Iron Frenchie]

I guess you didn't respect the conditions all along the years I put in my first post?

No because whether you use Tren or HCG or 8 to 12 week cycles your still shutting down your HPTA. It may be rebooting fine now at but after shutting it down and rebooting it continuously, eventually it’s not going to function like it should. Basically it will always reboot but may have a weaker signal.

 

[Mathg44]

Just get TRT already... we're all gonna end up on it anyway

 

[kosp]

No because whether you use Tren or HCG or 8 to 12 week cycles your still shutting down your HPTA. It may be rebooting fine now at but after shutting it down and rebooting it continuously, eventually it’s not going to function like it should. Basically it will always reboot but may have a weaker signal.

I don't wanna accept that, I don't buy it.

 

[kosp]

No because whether you use Tren or HCG or 8 to 12 week cycles your still shutting down your HPTA. It may be rebooting fine now at but after shutting it down and rebooting it continuously, eventually it’s not going to function like it should. Basically it will always reboot but may have a weaker signal.

Show me proof, bloodwork from years ago when off, and now.

Do you say that by your own experience? In what way do you feel you have lower testo? Don't tell me about dick issues because it happens to the best of the nattys too

 

[Iron Frenchie]

I don't wanna accept that, I don't buy it.

There haven’t been any long term studies done on this with AAS. But you can look at opioids and see they effect the HPTA almost the same way AAS do. Opioids are one of the leading causes of secondary hypogonadism in the US.

Now let’s say all the opioid addicts started cycling their heroin and used SERMs in between each cycle. They probably have better function. But it’s really anyone’s guess how much better.

 

[kosp]

There haven’t been any long term studies done on this with AAS. But you can look at opioids and see they effect the HPTA almost the same way AAS do. Opioids are one of the leading causes of secondary hypogonadism in the US.

Now let’s say all the opioid addicts started cycling their heroin and used SERMs in between each cycle. They probably have better function. But it’s really anyone’s guess how much better.

Right, there is no more to say.

 

[TAKESHI]

I don't wanna accept that, I don't buy it.

Your very naive and borderline cocky!

 

[kosp]

Your very naive and borderline cocky!

that´s maybe what It seems, but not what it is, I don´t only pin, I think too, maybe you should have done that at my age.