Permanent damage to HPTA

[TAKESHI]

that´s maybe what It seems, but not what it is, I don´t only pin, I think too, maybe you should have done that at my age.

Your thought process is that of a 18 year old reckless no nothing. This is the mentality that causes 20 year olds to use steroids without knowing the real consequences.

I am so glad I wasn’t as dumb as you are! I waited until I was 36 years old to touch anything anabolic.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Your thought process is that of a 18 year old reckless no nothing. This is the mentality that causes 20 year olds to use steroids without knowing the real consequences.

I am so glad I wasn’t as dumb as you are! I waited until I was 36 years old to touch anything anabolic.

I started at 17
Does that make me super retarded?

 

[TAKESHI]

I started at 17
Does that make me super retarded?

Definitely not something to brag about!

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Definitely not something to brag about!

The answer I was looking for is...
"Yes, you are retarded"

You should have met 17 year old me.
I'd jack his jaw if I were to meet him.

 

[TAKESHI]

The answer I was looking for is...
"Yes, you are retarded"

You should have met 17 year old me.
I'd jack his jaw if I were to meet him.

It honestly doesn’t make me mad when I hear stories like this, but it’s very sad!
It’s crazy to think about 20 year olds that are more worried about sourcing gear, pct drugs and dick pills. Pretty pathetic!

 

[Silentlemon1011]

It honestly doesn’t make me mad when I hear stories like this, but it’s very sad!
It’s crazy to think about 20 year olds that are more worried about sourcing gear, pct drugs and dick pills. Pretty pathetic!

Yup,
To be a young idiot again.
Buddy handed me a few bottles of Adrol (Football and Muay Thai were my sports)

Got jacked.
Kept cycling.
Not I'm test is low going to start TRT in a few years.
should not recomend lol.
(Also didnt PCT from my first 3 or 4 cycles)

If I could go back, would have trained naturally to 28 to 30ish

Maybe thrown some GH in there around 28 as well AM pin.

 

[kosp]

Your thought process is that of a 18 year old reckless no nothing. This is the mentality that causes 20 year olds to use steroids without knowing the real consequences.

I am so glad I wasn’t as dumb as you are! I waited until I was 36 years old to touch anything anabolic.

Dude what a response is that? did you even read the thread?

I am inquiring a topic in which there is not any objective study done, you just came here to make a judgement about me but adding 0 to the thing, why even bother?

I want to know BY FACT how of a lifelong decision can be the use of steroids, specially if you cycle on and off properly, and if there is such thing as a permanent weak HPTA signaling after years of cycling.

 

[TAKESHI]

Dude what a response is that? did you even read the thread?

I am inquiring a topic in which there is not any objective study done, you just came here to make a judgement about me but adding 0 to the thing, why even bother?

I want to know BY FACT how of a lifelong decision can be the use of steroids, specially if you cicle on and off properly, and if there is such thing as a permanent weak HPTA signaling after years of cycling.

YES!! And you reiterating on your original question shows just how uneducated you are on the subject. Lol this is some serious troll shit! You need a fucking study to figure this out?

 

[kosp]

YES!! And you reiterating on your original question shows just how uneducated you are on the subject. Lol this is some serious troll shit! You need a fucking study to figure this out?

You keep talking but adding 0 input to the topic, just stop being a hater, I don't give a fuck about what you think of me personally, if you are interested about the topic you're welcome to discuss, otherwise get the fuck out.

Still all the inputs here were about speculations, and not FACTS.

 

[TAKESHI]

You keep talking but adding 0 input to the topic, just stop being a hater, I don't give a fuck about what you think of me personally, if you are interested about the topic you're welcome to discuss, otherwise get the fuck out.

Still all the inputs here were about speculations, and not FACTS.

Lol input? Your mad because your not getting the answer you want. If you start a poll about this using ignorant 18 to 25 year olds you’ll get the answer you want. If you ask the older crowd that has already lived and researched this subject then you see the sad truth to cycling at young age. No fucking study necessary!!

 

[kosp]

Lol input? Your mad because your not getting the answer you want. If you start a poll about this using ignorant 18 to 25 year olds you’ll get the answer you want. If you ask the older crowd that has already lived and researched this subject then you see the sad truth to cycling at young age. No fucking study necessary!!

Shut up you are just being an arrogant dick with 0 knowledge about the topic.

 

[TAKESHI]

Shut up you are just being an arrogant dick with 0 knowledge about the topic.

Ok Troll?

 

[kosp]

Ok Troll?

Nah man, just a search of truth

 

[master.on]

Okay I think this is a crucial topic I am highly concerned, I would appreciate your insight based on experience, logic and science, or all together.

I have a case study proposal,

let's assume the following:

-You cycle between 8 to 12 weeks, no more than that.

-You never use tren (brutally suppresive)

-You always go with your HCG

-You properly PCT and rest between cycles, this is, once you are done with your PCT SERMs, you wait about double time than you spent pinning. Natty is awesome too, and still you can have a lot of fun every year. (Personally I do one cycle per year...)

Now imagine I have been doing this for many years, is there any chance I get my HPTA weaker than a forever natty one?

Your testis can definitely get weaker after years of steroid abuse.

Don't rely on SERMs for PCT, do some HCG while on cycle and you'll be fine.

 

[kosp]

Your testis can definitely get weaker after years of steroid abuse.

Yes like many guys here trying to recover after years of heavy use, resting little between cycles, blasting deca, npp and tren, etc

What about if I cycle 12 weeks once per year? I have been doing that, so It's not like "yeah that's the beginning, you will be blasting much more soon" No, I am not doing that.

Also, I only do test and DHT derivatives (mast, prov, oxa)

 

[The Terminator]

Dude what a response is that? did you even read the thread?

I am inquiring a topic in which there is not any objective study done, you just came here to make a judgement about me but adding 0 to the thing, why even bother?

I want to know BY FACT how of a lifelong decision can be the use of steroids, specially if you cycle on and off properly, and if there is such thing as a permanent weak HPTA signaling after years of cycling.

No one can tell you what will happen, you can only do or do not. What I can say is that the h and p aren’t as likely to get damaged with time, it’s the t (ballz) that are most fragile and will degrade over time, maybe not so much that you have hypogonadism but definitely not the same as teenage-30’s. If you stay natty it’s definitely not a guarantee that you would need trt as many many old guys aren’t hypogonadal. Not sure how much cycling would affect this. I read a where a group of young and old men were given clomid, both groups had similar pituitary responses but a huge difference in testicular response. Anyway basically it’s an uncertainty but probably less likely to cause permanent damage doing occasional short cycles with low doses vs b&c.

 

[kosp]

No one can tell you what will happen, you can only do or do not. What I can say is that the h and p aren’t as likely to get damaged with time, it’s the t (ballz) that are most fragile and will degrade over time, maybe not so much that you have hypogonadism but definitely not the same as teenage-30’s. If you stay natty it’s definitely not a guarantee that you would need trt as many many old guys aren’t hypogonadal. Not sure how much cycling would affect this. I read a where a group of young and old men were given clomid, both groups had similar pituitary responses but a huge difference in testicular response. Anyway basically it’s an uncertainty but probably less likely to cause permanent damage doing occasional short cycles with low doses vs b&c.

Thanks Terminator, I appreciate your knowledge about this, so it is more a balls thing than HPTA, interesting, will stick to HCG during cycle at 250ui x 2 weekly, using roids very moderately, and pray I can enjoy this with total impunity in the long term.

 

[The Terminator]

Thanks Terminator, I appreciate your knowledge about this, so it is more a balls thing than HPTA, interesting, will stick to HCG during cycle at 250ui x 2 weekly, using roids very moderately, and pray I can enjoy this with total impunity in the long term.

Of course not a guarantee that the hypothalamus/pituitary won’t have problems, like it may take time. I think a lot of guys that were on the roids for a a long time and say that pct failed probably didn’t give it enough time. And if you get to the point that you need extra time to recover you probably shouldn’t cycle anytime soon.

Anyway yes as long as you keep the balls running, keep the doses, length and total cycles limited this would give you the least risk. I’d only use short esters like test P, and no tren or nandrolone. If you ever get to the point where your recovery becomes more difficult I’d terminate any cycling.

Not saying you should or should not cycle, just sharing my opinion.

 

[kosp]

Of course not a guarantee that the hypothalamus/pituitary won’t have problems, like it may take time. I think a lot of guys that were on the roids for a a long time and say that pct failed probably didn’t give it enough time. And if you get to the point that you need extra time to recover you probably shouldn’t cycle anytime soon.

Anyway yes as long as you keep the balls running, keep the doses, length and total cycles limited this would give you the least risk. I’d only use short esters like test P, and no tren or nandrolone. If you ever get to the point where your recovery becomes more difficult I’d terminate any cycling.

Not saying you should or should not cycle, just sharing my opinion.

Yes, that was what I was thinking, no tren no nandrolones and short esters.

Soon I will be enjoying a 10 weeks test p and mast p cycle.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I said it time and time again. I don't think it matters what your levels are AS LONG AS IT IS ADEQUATE FOR YOUR BODY. Having a level of ~400 and feeling fantastic with no symptoms should be fine, but it depends on who you are. I personally felt like crap but that could be the right level for someone else. It's individual.

"Use it or lose it" of course permanent damage is done the more you cycle.