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There are no batch numbers from what I understand. Everyone I have talked to has the same numbers. I don't know of anyone running the test 500 either though.
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It looks like this post is going to be a bit long, but you for sure will not regret after have read it.
A very long time I had kind of a fight with some local members, who did not believe into the quality of our products or that we test them. I published here our internal HPLC results, they only were in Chinese but graphs and numbers could ready everyone. Lots did not trust us.
I also have heard so much here that an UGL lab in no way can have access to high quality pharma grade raws. That raws quality can change from time to time, that all this is a guess game...
Its time to change everything!
From now and further we are going to send our samples to an independent GMP certified lab Simec to test them regularly! Both raws and final products!
In fact we are doing this only for you, our potential customers, to provide you reliable and veriviable results! We have our internal chromotography, but all in Chinese and looks like it was not enough for you...
From now we are going to provide you all results! Regularly and independent on good or bad they are! If Simec shows raws are bad you will see it as well!
.
A while ago we have already sent to an independent GMP certified lab Simec 20 samples of raws which we use in our products. All raws were chosen from a new batch we received from our supplier. We have not performed our own testing of these raws yet. So in fact we did not know which exactly results to expect. However we just knew that results will be good in any case, cause we use one and the same supplier within all the time and never changed it. Except a couple of specific compounds.
Yesterday I received the first result namely nandrolone decanoate. We ordered test of purity! Qualitative analysis, not quantitative as Anaboliclab performed with our oxandrolon a while ago. Which result is also perfect by the way. Exact 10 mg as manifested. Back to our qualitative analysis. Yesterday I was a bit confused with the result I received. For this reason I did not publish it here and asked Simec specialist to explain it to me.
It`s time to provide the first results... I will split my text to be more readable and publish it in the next post.
A very long time I had kind of a fight with some local members, who did not believe into the quality of our products or that we test them. I published here our internal HPLC results, they only were in Chinese but graphs and numbers could ready everyone. Lots did not trust us.
I also have heard so much here that an UGL lab in no way can have access to high quality pharma grade raws. That raws quality can change from time to time, that all this is a guess game...
Its time to change everything!
From now and further we are going to send our samples to an independent GMP certified lab Simec to test them regularly! Both raws and final products!
In fact we are doing this only for you, our potential customers, to provide you reliable and veriviable results! We have our internal chromotography, but all in Chinese and looks like it was not enough for you...
From now we are going to provide you all results! Regularly and independent on good or bad they are! If Simec shows raws are bad you will see it as well!
.
A while ago we have already sent to an independent GMP certified lab Simec 20 samples of raws which we use in our products. All raws were chosen from a new batch we received from our supplier. We have not performed our own testing of these raws yet. So in fact we did not know which exactly results to expect. However we just knew that results will be good in any case, cause we use one and the same supplier within all the time and never changed it. Except a couple of specific compounds.
Yesterday I received the first result namely nandrolone decanoate. We ordered test of purity! Qualitative analysis, not quantitative as Anaboliclab performed with our oxandrolon a while ago. Which result is also perfect by the way. Exact 10 mg as manifested. Back to our qualitative analysis. Yesterday I was a bit confused with the result I received. For this reason I did not publish it here and asked Simec specialist to explain it to me.
It`s time to provide the first results... I will split my text to be more readable and publish it in the next post.
HPLC RESULT PERFORMED BY AN INDEPENDENT GMP CERTIFIED LAB SIMEC SHOWED PURITY 100.7%!!! Here is the prof!
Everyone who does not believe into this result or thinks that we could change it, can address Simec, provide them individual number of the essay and they confirm it!
Here you find contact data of Simec:
Don`t hesitate to contact them by email or phone and ask for confirmation if you have any doubts!
You for sure ask yourself how 100.7% purity is possible? I was also confused yesterday. Today I received explanation which confirmed my assumption.
It is due to the testing technology. I remember the situation when I provided our Internal results for the first time and Dr. JIM criticized me, that testing was done not properly, cause we used not a reference sample as it shall be, but just took data from a database in internet and compared them. So, Simec tested all as it shall be. They bought a reference sample. This is a certified sample of a reference drug. In other words this is ideal drug as it shall be. By the way such sample costs 100 EUR because of certification, etc. And we paid them additionally to get a proper reliable result. After testing this sample by HPLC Simec tested also our sample and compared. Based on comparison is calculated the purity of a drug, how good and bad it is. Reference sample is an ideal drug. This is a sample of proven pharmaceutical grade purity!
I think you all understand what I am going to say… Our sample is by 0.7% purer as certified reference sample! I specially asked Simec about what does it mean and they confirmed it!
I have a very long correspondence with him. Massage is long without it. I will cut and provide only related and essential fragments from different messages of him. If someone doubts whether I changed anything, he can contact me, I provide name and contact data of this specialist and you can copy paste him all text and ask to confirm its authenticity!
As you see this is not absolute pureness. This is pureness based on comparison with a reference drug. Important is that this reference drug is also used to check for quality pharmaceutical grade products. The reference sample itself is it. Here is what Simec employee said about it:
Ass you have read a full testing in this lab would cost from 7000 to 15000 EUR only for one example. Of course we can not afford this. It is even not needed. First of all cause Simec confirmed that this result is almost evidence, that our sample is pure. In fact, it is a bit purer as the reference sample. Yes, maybe water content, something else. Nevermind. Relevant is that this test has just proven, that at least exactly this batch of nandrolone decanoate is of PHARMACEUTICAL GRADE quality! Yes Pharmacom Labs does not undergo control or certifications from authorized instances, but it absolutely does not mean that we can not produce products of in fact pharmaceutical grade quality.
On top of that this result has just proven that we have access to pharma grade powder, which some of you did not believe to. Evidence is in this post. I am sure that next results of other raws will continue this positive statistic. We wait for other results. The fun is only beginning…
By the way, almost forgot to mention this. I have already published this result here, but I remind you. This is result performed by our own specialist and at our own chromatograph. This result is not for the current tested batch, but for the previous one. Nevermind. Supplier is the same. Look at it. I know, it is in Chinese, but you can see numbers.
99.409 = 99.4%. The tested sample has in fact 22 substances. One of them is 99.4%. All other 21 substances put together make only 0.6%. They are presented in trace amounts and are by-product. No one compound can be absolutely pure. 99.4% is the absolute value of purity. I remind now how someone criticized me and stated that purity of even 98% is impossible, it would be good if it was at least 95%.... Fuck`em all! 98,5% is minimum what we provide! In case with this and previous deca batch you had in fact pharma grade products! Will see, what other test show…
For those who is interested I can refresh your memory and again provide our internal results, which are great!
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Everyone who does not believe into this result or thinks that we could change it, can address Simec, provide them individual number of the essay and they confirm it!
Here you find contact data of Simec:
Code:
http://simec.ch/en/ueber-uns/firma.htmlDon`t hesitate to contact them by email or phone and ask for confirmation if you have any doubts!
You for sure ask yourself how 100.7% purity is possible? I was also confused yesterday. Today I received explanation which confirmed my assumption.
It is due to the testing technology. I remember the situation when I provided our Internal results for the first time and Dr. JIM criticized me, that testing was done not properly, cause we used not a reference sample as it shall be, but just took data from a database in internet and compared them. So, Simec tested all as it shall be. They bought a reference sample. This is a certified sample of a reference drug. In other words this is ideal drug as it shall be. By the way such sample costs 100 EUR because of certification, etc. And we paid them additionally to get a proper reliable result. After testing this sample by HPLC Simec tested also our sample and compared. Based on comparison is calculated the purity of a drug, how good and bad it is. Reference sample is an ideal drug. This is a sample of proven pharmaceutical grade purity!
I think you all understand what I am going to say… Our sample is by 0.7% purer as certified reference sample! I specially asked Simec about what does it mean and they confirmed it!
I have a very long correspondence with him. Massage is long without it. I will cut and provide only related and essential fragments from different messages of him. If someone doubts whether I changed anything, he can contact me, I provide name and contact data of this specialist and you can copy paste him all text and ask to confirm its authenticity!
As you see this is not absolute pureness. This is pureness based on comparison with a reference drug. Important is that this reference drug is also used to check for quality pharmaceutical grade products. The reference sample itself is it. Here is what Simec employee said about it:
Ass you have read a full testing in this lab would cost from 7000 to 15000 EUR only for one example. Of course we can not afford this. It is even not needed. First of all cause Simec confirmed that this result is almost evidence, that our sample is pure. In fact, it is a bit purer as the reference sample. Yes, maybe water content, something else. Nevermind. Relevant is that this test has just proven, that at least exactly this batch of nandrolone decanoate is of PHARMACEUTICAL GRADE quality! Yes Pharmacom Labs does not undergo control or certifications from authorized instances, but it absolutely does not mean that we can not produce products of in fact pharmaceutical grade quality.
On top of that this result has just proven that we have access to pharma grade powder, which some of you did not believe to. Evidence is in this post. I am sure that next results of other raws will continue this positive statistic. We wait for other results. The fun is only beginning…
By the way, almost forgot to mention this. I have already published this result here, but I remind you. This is result performed by our own specialist and at our own chromatograph. This result is not for the current tested batch, but for the previous one. Nevermind. Supplier is the same. Look at it. I know, it is in Chinese, but you can see numbers.
99.409 = 99.4%. The tested sample has in fact 22 substances. One of them is 99.4%. All other 21 substances put together make only 0.6%. They are presented in trace amounts and are by-product. No one compound can be absolutely pure. 99.4% is the absolute value of purity. I remind now how someone criticized me and stated that purity of even 98% is impossible, it would be good if it was at least 95%.... Fuck`em all! 98,5% is minimum what we provide! In case with this and previous deca batch you had in fact pharma grade products! Will see, what other test show…
For those who is interested I can refresh your memory and again provide our internal results, which are great!
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Hey Rave you should take Frank up on his offer to test that testE 500, he will pay for everything and it could help everybody here out.
Could let us know if its underdosed or that the so called 10 x rule is flawed.
Simec results are in...time to eat these words dicknose.
Not to mention the damage you could do to your liver bumping up the dosages like that
Not to mention the damage you can do to your liver bumping up doses like that. If you think something is bunk, don't up the dose
As I stated before something is definitely wrong you many labs passing even the worst.ones
Plus dicknose you must think labs are.100% consisted of brewing good gear all the time
Please bitch one test don't mean shit
And if you didn't read I was sent the wrong shit dumb ass
I was sent the.wrong item everything is squared now with Darius
weighted chinup
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What do you mean by this? Are you referring to the tests by AnabolicLab?
Like stated previously, get it tested by simec. Would settle the X10 rule theory
Sorry to say yes a lot of bad labs getting good testing results needless to say it's only one test on every lab
I would like for member to send in their own in opened but we can't trust everyone
MisterBiggins
Banned
Frank do you ever think your going to have the HGH tested on your shop site?
weighted chinup
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How are you defining 'bad' labs?
So far the majority of the labs that have been tested were large established labels that have been around for a long time. I don't think the 'bad' labs are any better or any worse than any other UGL, but if anyone can meet a labeled dose it's a large operation who has financial resources and presumably decent connections.
I'm not sure why there is any unfounded skepticism at this point. The results are hardly unbelievable from any of the labs that have been tested by Anaboliclab. Simec AG is an email away and can answer questions about any of the test results I'm sure, a chemist will reply to any questions. As far as who is trustworthy, IMO no one is more trustworthy than the people behind AnabolicLab.
RThoads
Subscriber
Agreed! I much rather have an argument, debates, and testing rather than a clique pushing products based upon sponsor fees and censorship. I left other sites and came here because I was not getting good advice when everyone either posts zero reply to a thread or they all cheer it on like it is a gift from God. Much appreciate MESO as a true discussion board not a sponsored pusher.
Why would I read every barely coherent post you make?
You were complaining about under dosed pharmacom var that didn't even look like pharmacom var, and turned out to not be var at all, and then telling me I was a dumbass for buying under dosed gear that turned out to be dosed properly?
Put that foot in your mouth and start sucking.
Some of those labs have had a bad rap
Bloods even have proven some to being bunk or.undersized
So when one of those labs come back Good it's just weird or unheard of
But labs are as good as there last batch one bad today might be good tomorrow
Bloods even have proven some to being bunk or.undersized
So when one of those labs come back Good it's just weird or unheard of
But labs are as good as there last batch one bad today might be good tomorrow
Your just one of the few that's been lucky with good var from a ugl come back next time when you test your next go around
let`s send it to a lab. i don`t mind. to be honest i prefer to send only closed vials... i am sure you all understand why. you never know whom you can trust. if there is a closed second vial of it from the same batch let`s send it! this is the ideal solution!
we have such plans. The problem with it that it has a very complicated chemical stracture and can not be checked just by HPLC. It needs much more tests, which are very expensive and by far not each lab has such equipment. Our company also does not have such equipment. But we can perform a base test HPLC. It will show at least something.
By the way, today were published blood work of our HGH after 10 IU. Dannue from Outlaw and ASF posted it.
22.6 pretty decent result. However we had higher!
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