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This is a lot of stipulations for a source that has no inventory, and has a member still waiting on a tracking number for an order he should have received a week ago.

And now we're talking about insurance (would prefer reliable packaging) and the supplier's absolution of responsibility after he sends a pack, when an unreliable employee has already caused issues with labeling, shipping, etc. plus apparent crimping issues.

Would like to see this supplier develop a little bit of good faith before trying to hose its customers for insurance money. We have seen no bloods or even labmax on your gear, but we have seen shipping issues, and mis-labeling occur consistently with the small sample group. I still don't understand why @Nitrust needs to wait for a tracking number, or why anyone would need to wait 7 days to receive a tracking number after the item is shipped.
 
devilsdue said:
This is a lot of stipulations for a source that has no inventory, and has a member still waiting on a tracking number for an order he should have received a week ago.

And now we're talking about insurance (would prefer reliable packaging) and the supplier's absolution of responsibility after he sends a pack, when an unreliable employee has already caused issues with labeling, shipping, etc. plus apparent crimping issues.

Would like to see this supplier develop a little bit of good faith before trying to hose its customers for insurance money. We have seen no bloods or even labmax on your gear, but we have seen shipping issues, and mis-labeling occur consistently with the small sample group. I still don't understand why @Nitrust needs to wait for a tracking number, or why anyone would need to wait 7 days to receive a tracking number after the item is shipped.
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Man, I understand you. But we already have done all things.
1. We changed the shipper and will work in the future with trusted guys, which are our bulk customers for last 3 years. We trust them without any doubts now.
2. We will provide to EACH customer order photos with the delivery details. So there will be no doubts, that we specified the delivery info correctly. I think in this case we have full right to be not responsible for USPS failures.
3. Even with 10$ shipping insuranse our products have still lower prices as prices of other Pharmacom sources.
4. The member (Nitrust), who is waiting for his tracking number will be completely compinsated, we agreed all details with him, I hope he can confirm this in public.
5. I repeat it, cause this is factor Nr.1. We will do photos with addresses and your orders, so you will be able to see, to where we ship the orders. And if your order does not come correctly, in this case we really can not be responsible for any losses. 10$ is not high price to get the shipping insurance. Even including it, our prices are still lower as compared to other sources. If you don`t agree with our terms, we don`t force you to order in our store. Everything is easy. I just want to guarantee our safety as well. There are too many guys or competitors, which can do bad things to make us look bad in your eyes. My purpose is to secure us from this. And I think our demands are pretty fair. If you received for example a broken vial, it will be not difficult for you to make a video and to provide it to us. In this case we will compensate all broken vials gladly. We just need proves. Unfortunately we live in time, where there are too many deceivers. This is just our prevention measures. We have also too many competitors, which can play unfair. Sorry. We have nothing to hide and will be glad to replace any order, which has been lost or damagen BY OUR GUILT. But no more...
 
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Dude, no one is going to make a video of them receiving a package of illegal drugs, with their name on the box, and go through a detailed inventory of the illegal items in the box for anyone who watches the video to see. Your laws are very different to ours in the US. If that video was ever found by anyone in law enforcement, it's literally the golden ticket for them throwing your ass in jail. Once something is uploaded to the internet, even if it is 'deleted' it remains on a server somewhere, and can be dug up by those with enough manpower or resources. Attaching it to an email sure as hell isn't a secure way to send the video. In fact, even if you're using a secure browser such as TOR, it's recommend NEVER to open attachments as the programs that open the attachments (video players, itunes, etc) connect to the internet themselves WITHOUT HIDING YOUR INFO AT ALL, even if you are using a secure email, secure web browser, etc. The only way to (somewhat) securely share info online is through PGP encryption, last time I checked you can't PGP encrypt a fucking video. Why the hell should the customer have to take this absurd risk just to prove items were missing or broken - something that isn't even their fault in the first place? You know what other upstanding sources do in this situation? Replace the products in question without forcing the customer to literally incriminate themselves beyond reasonable doubt. I doubt you could even find a lawyer to represent you if you were dumb enough to do this.
 
Pharmacom Labs said:
We will do photos with addresses and your orders, so you will be able to see, to where we ship the orders. And if your order does not come correctly, in this case we really can not be responsible for any losses.
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I have to agree with @cyclone268.

My problem with the replacment policy: the majority of the time that there is broken or damaged product, it is because of poor packaging.

As for taking a picture of the gear w/ my address, please for the love of god DO NOT DO THIS. THIS DOES NOT INSPIRE TRUST IN US. It actually does the opposite and worries me that my info is not being sufficiently protected. You are doing law enforcement's job for them by documenting the exchange. Conspiracy, check. Wire fraud, check.

You mentioned guaranteeing your own safety, but it seems as if our safety is being put at risk to relieve you of responsibility, as well as opening up another avenue for you to profit from us.

We know you're cheaper than Darius. Fuck, Darius is expensive! He also has a history of on time deliveries of consistently packaged, labeled gear. He has also attempted to document the validity of his gear. That is why people will pay more.

You can SAY that you changed your staff, but all the community has observed is the fuckups of your old staff. I'm not trying to hate on you or be on Darius' nuts (I've never ordered from him), but lets be honest, the only reason this thread is still getting bumped is because you're a verifiable reseller. Your name is untested. Usually suppliers in your position want to get as much of their product out as quickly as possible. Most members do smaller test orders for this purpose. You have delayed, misshipped, and stipulate that orders are 10% more expensive if under $100 dollars. Why? We're paying the shipping regardless! Was excited about this supplier when he first entered the scene, but my enthusiasm is waning as each day goes by and I see more asterisks in your procedures and methods
 
cyclone268 said:
Dude, no one is going to make a video of them receiving a package of illegal drugs, with their name on the box, and go through a detailed inventory of the illegal items in the box for anyone who watches the video to see. Your laws are very different to ours in the US. If that video was ever found by anyone in law enforcement, it's literally the golden ticket for them throwing your ass in jail. Once something is uploaded to the internet, even if it is 'deleted' it remains on a server somewhere, and can be dug up by those with enough manpower or resources. Attaching it to an email sure as hell isn't a secure way to send the video. In fact, even if you're using a secure browser such as TOR, it's recommend NEVER to open attachments as the programs that open the attachments (video players, itunes, etc) connect to the internet themselves WITHOUT HIDING YOUR INFO AT ALL, even if you are using a secure email, secure web browser, etc. The only way to (somewhat) securely share info online is through PGP encryption, last time I checked you can't PGP encrypt a fucking video. Why the hell should the customer have to take this absurd risk just to prove items were missing or broken - something that isn't even their fault in the first place? You know what other upstanding sources do in this situation? Replace the products in question without forcing the customer to literally incriminate themselves beyond reasonable doubt. I doubt you could even find a lawyer to represent you if you were dumb enough to do this.
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devilsdue said:
I have to agree with @cyclone268.

My problem with the replacment policy: the majority of the time that there is broken or damaged product, it is because of poor packaging.

As for taking a picture of the gear w/ my address, please for the love of god DO NOT DO THIS. THIS DOES NOT INSPIRE TRUST IN US. It actually does the opposite and worries me that my info is not being sufficiently protected. You are doing law enforcement's job for them by documenting the exchange. Conspiracy, check. Wire fraud, check.

You mentioned guaranteeing your own safety, but it seems as if our safety is being put at risk to relieve you of responsibility, as well as opening up another avenue for you to profit from us.

We know you're cheaper than Darius. Fuck, Darius is expensive! He also has a history of on time deliveries of consistently packaged, labeled gear. He has also attempted to document the validity of his gear. That is why people will pay more.

You can SAY that you changed your staff, but all the community has observed is the fuckups of your old staff. I'm not trying to hate on you or be on Darius' nuts (I've never ordered from him), but lets be honest, the only reason this thread is still getting bumped is because you're a verifiable reseller. Your name is untested. Usually suppliers in your position want to get as much of their product out as quickly as possible. Most members do smaller test orders for this purpose. You have delayed, misshipped, and stipulate that orders are 10% more expensive if under $100 dollars. Why? We're paying the shipping regardless! Was excited about this supplier when he first entered the scene, but my enthusiasm is waning as each day goes by and I see more asterisks in your procedures and methods
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Ok, guys. I roger that. Sorry, of course you are right in this case. I have never lived in US, so was not aware of these things. No video, i`ve got it. I agree. We will think the question over. About pictures, actually we do this in Europe, where gear is also strictly prohibited, but our customers supported this idea there. If you don`t like this Idea, ok, we will call of the thing as well. The board is meant exchange of views. I`ve got yours.
devilsdue said:
I have to agree with @cyclone268.
Most members do smaller test orders for this purpose. You have delayed, misshipped, and stipulate that orders are 10% more expensive if under $100 dollars. Why? We're paying the shipping regardless! Was excited about this supplier when he first entered the scene, but my enthusiasm is waning as each day goes by and I see more asterisks in your procedures and methods
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Mate, most sources have a minimum order and do not ship at all, if the order is below a definite amount. Because nobody want to risk, go to post, etc. only due to a small profit. You mentioned Darius, he has $100 minimum order and you will not be able to place a small test order. You can say you don`t need, he is proven. For you yes, but there are also lot of new customers, which have never seen this or other boards and they nevertheless would appreciate the opportunity to place a small order. We provide this opportunity. And say $3-$7, which become our shipper as a small fee for his risk is not a high amount.
 
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And say $3-$7, which receives our shipper, not become of course... yes, I know, my english is terrible... Nontheless, you`ve got the point I guess. Nobody forces anyone to do, what he/she does not like. If you don`t agree, you always have a choice. Our profit with the domestic delivery is by half less as it is for international delivery, but we still provide the prices as low as possible and our purpose is not just to gain as much money as possible. We are bodybuilders ourselves and now, how is it, not to be able to get a high quality product for a reasonable price. We pay attention to and consider your points of view as well and if you have something to say, please, say, suggest. However, our shippers are under high risk and will also not work for a couple of dollars. And $3-$7 extra charge for small orders is generally not a big deals for you. I think everyone understands it. We provide the lowest prices we can as it is.
 
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Become= will be

We have the same problem with this in germany :D


"Can i please become a cheeseburger"


The woman at mcdonalds had to laugh when i said this to her...
 
Nitrobuste said:
Become= will be

We have the same problem with this in germany :D


"Can i please become a cheeseburger"


The woman at mcdonalds had to laugh when i said this to her...
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Ja, genau deshalb habe ich so geschrieben. :D:D Ich verwechsle immer die 2 Woerter.

p.s. I said, yes, this is the reason, why I always mix up these 2 words.
In German language bekommen (which is similar to become) means to receive, to get.
 
devilsdue said:
You can SAY that you changed your staff, but all the community has observed is the fuckups of your old staff. I'm not trying to hate on you or be on Darius' nuts (I've never ordered from him), but lets be honest, the only reason this thread is still getting bumped is because you're a verifiable reseller. Your name is untested.
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By the way, are you saying this really seriously?!!! What has observed the community? We sold almost 300 vials and only 1 or probably 2 posts about crimps, which have been crimped not with pinpoint accuracy? And the half order from 300 orders, which went the wrong way, probably by USPS fault and we compinsated it. So, tell me please, where did we fuck up? Really? You are absolutely right. LET`S BE HONEST! Where are other 300 feedbacks? I asked almost everyone in the emails with tracking numbers to leave here feedbacks. But I do not see them... this is not my fault. And we have not received any claims. Here people publish mostly, what they are unsatisfied with. And all happy customers just keep silence or are not present here. I received a lot of pm`s, where users were absolutely happy with the quality. I am still here only cause I am a verifiable reseller? Again, really? I am not reseller, I am Pharmacom Labs itself. A part / member of Pharmacom Labs team.
I hear often here Darius` name. I have absolutely nothing again him, he is a nice guy, one of the oldest Pharmacom resellers, he pushed Pharmacom Labs products into the US and worldwide market and did his best to make the brand worldwide famous. This is his huge merit. So,if you want to order from Darius, please order. Everyone has a choice. But please let`s do the things clear. Do you think Darius has another products? Or he does not have such crooked crimps? All vials of all genuine Pharmacom sources / resellers are produced in the same conditions and on the same production facilitity. Every reseller gets from time to time vials with such crimps. Yes, here the situation went in not the best way and you`ve seen in the very beginning a couple of bad crimps, only a couple from hundreds sold! Do you really think that such things don`t come up with other resellers? Don`t be childish please.
Your point of view is absolutely unfair. If you all guys had seen all 300 reviews, I do not think you would have been so skeptic. And I provided here links to other boards and never read there any negative feedbacks yet. It means something...
The only things we`ve done wrong is missing check codes (which will be rectified with the ext restocking) and a bit bad luck with reshipping.That`s all. Ah yes, some typing mistakes on boxes only boxes and in the insirts (only due to abscense in the team of english native-speakers; and all resellers have by the way absolutely the same mistakes on boxes and in the inserts), which absoluteIy does not influence the quality. I provided here lots of evidencies about... I even will not raise this point again. So, I can only repeat my question, where did we fuck up? I see in this thread by the way only the same usernames, which are unsatisfied with something... Nevertheless, the thread is shown very very lot of times and most of customers seem to be absolutely satisfied and happy, they just do not write it here...
You haven`t even see the blood work results to draw such inferences. Nobody has seen the test results yet. However, we have already seen only positive feedbacks after first injections from DeM0NiCs and other only positive feedbacks on other boards, where we are present a longer time. So, please let`s be honest, wait for results and not to draw unfair/subjective conclusions beforehand.
 
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BigJP said:
@Pharmacom Labs will you be carrying a similar inventory for US domestic to Darius when you re stock? Specifically im interested in the halotestin and the injectable winstrol
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We will have, I say so, lot of restocking waves and finally will provide the full range of Pharmacom Labs products, incl. amps. I have already added amps into the international site. Soon will add them into the US site. Prices are not defined yet. The only thing exception would be probably with HGH, cause it shall be better stored and transported refrigerated to fully keep its qualities. I think it will be also available, if lot of users will wish to order it. So are our plans for now at least.
 
I also got vials with shitty crimp job so I believe there are many more than just 1 or 2.

Only interested with whats inside the vial so I cant post anything about it just yet. But will in a few more weeks.

Like others have mentioned already. Turn around was good and product "looks good" I wouldnt have noticed the crimp job unless I knew what I was looking for.

I ordered prop and may give one to friend to sample. Only problem is he can only give a review on how it "feels" no bloods. Hes an old timer like me and I trust his opinion as much as you can trust someone going off the "feel" affect.
 
I made 2 very small orders. The ta was very fast. I mean less than the fingers I have on one hand each time. Yea crimping is a little off on 3 of my 4 bottles but as someone said I'm only interested in what's inside. I just started my npp and test p a few days ago. I will be using this till my long esters kick in. If you want to read my results follow my cycle log. Other than ta I can't really comment on anything
 
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