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[brutalbuilt]

I've been made aware of concerns regarding EO and I care; as I have told others, I hope to compile information about these concerns and then present them to the source for serious consideration if/when things are going well and there is less stress for the business.

With that said, please share a link to any peer-reviewed studies you know of that demonstrate this adverse reaction to EO.

I will save the studies and include them to present when there is good time for the source to be receptive hearing ideas about significant changes such as considering a new carrier formulation.

My post quoted below is in reply to a similar post:

sorry im not gonna waste my time posting studies, i feel like a big name source like pharmacom who been in this game for a long time would be smart enough and have the knowledge to know this type of stuff already... or they do know and just dont care... and im not blaming you i know your just a rep

 

[pipo]

sorry im not gonna waste my time posting studies, i feel like a big name source like pharmacom who been in this game for a long time would be smart enough and have the knowledge to know this type of stuff already... or they do know and just dont care... and im not blaming you i know your just a rep

There 0 studies. Only bro science
Not even 1 that support any of the claims. Everyone that has been asked to show any proof of eo toxicity claim hasn't been able to provide any proof,any studies only what a youtuber has said
You looked around for studies and you didn't find any and now you say I don't have time to post studies. Not everyone is believing this bs excuse

I think that we are in this game long enough to not believe any bro science that we hear.

 

[brutalbuilt]

There 0 studies. Only bro science
Not even 1 that support any of the claims. Everyone that has been asked to show any proof of eo toxicity claim hasn't been able to provide any proof,any studies only what a youtuber has said
You looked around for studies and you didn't find any and now you say I don't have time to post studies. Not everyone is believing this bs excuse

I think that we are in this game long enough to not believe any bro science that we hear.

the study is years of experience and seeing it on blood work in real life... doesn't get anymore real than that... people aren't just making this shit up for no reason

just cause there might not be a study in a lab it automatically means its not true? that's a stupid a logic its just means no one funded to do a study for it yet... and they not even doing studies on bodybuilders pushing gear anyways

theres been plenty of times people claimed "bro science" only to find out years later it actually ended up being true... so yeah stfu

 

[pipo]

the study is years of experience and seeing it on blood work in real life... doesn't get anymore real than that... people aren't just making this shit up for no reason

just cause there might not be a study in a lab it automatically means its not true? that's a stupid a logic its just means no one funded to do a study for it yet... and they not even doing studies on bodybuilders pushing gear anyways

theres been plenty of times people claimed "bro science" only to find out years later it actually ended up being true... so yeah stfu

You can believe the earth is flat as far as I'm concerned and there are people who can get into arguments why there is flat but here we believe what we can prove with evidence. Years of living on earth doesn't automatically gives earth flat a voice that you should take into consideration.
Same that pin gear for years as a hobby doesn't mean that you are smarter that pharma company that use eo in their products.

I tend to take into consideration what a pharma company do than a guy who has a bulldog as a avatar and can't show one evidence to his claim. So yeah stfu

 

[RThoads]

@brutalbuilt
I think you misunderstand me. I don't have a position for or against EO -- I'm neither promoting it's use nor claiming it causes adverse health effects.
In other words, I was not debating you or anyone else about it; I am just trying to get information so I can help both the customers and the source have the best products possible.

If I had my own claim/opinion about EO, then I would have all the facts, data (that lead to my position), and ability to present a strong argument in support of my position.
However, I don't have a strong argument to present because I don't even have a personal opinion about the topic.

Nonetheless, I am concerned because multiple guys hear have said it causes some adverse health consequences.
Does it? is that true? I don't know and it's not within my power to determine. I am not saying that I feel people's personal experience is invalid nor am I saying that the only truth some from formal studies -- I am far from that naive and dogmatic.
Published studies are more universally respected than just internet opinions when presenting information to others, and if I had a few studies to support the claims then I would have a stronger position to present.

All I claim to know about this specific topics is that I care about everyone's health, and I use these products too, so if there is a problem, I would like to see things improved.

Therefore, I am simply asking people that suggest it causes systemic inflammation, or any other adverse effect, to please share the references that support their claims so I may
1) able to present a strong argument to he source regarding why they should change the carried formulation (not a small task for the business) and
2) so I may be more fully informed myself and make the best health choices possible for myself and my clients..

We are not on some opposite sides of a debate. There is no debate from me -- I don't know much about this topic either way.
I would like references so I can advocate for improvement if there is an issue.

 

[brutalbuilt]

You can believe the earth is flat as far as I'm concerned and there are people who can get into arguments why there is flat but here we believe what we can prove with evidence. Years of living on earth doesn't automatically gives earth flat a voice that you should take into consideration.
Same that pin gear for years as a hobby doesn't mean that you are smarter that pharma company that use eo in their products.

I tend to take into consideration what a pharma company do than a guy who has a bulldog as a avatar and can't show one evidence to his claim. So yeah stfu

this guy tryna compare flat earth to blood work smh...

you realize no pharma company in the usa uses EO in testosterone, right? why do you think that is? use your brain

pharmacom is not real pharma its a ugl source clown... im done responding to you... you dont even know the basics just stop talking

 

[pipo]

this guy tryna compare flat earth to blood work smh...

you realize no pharma company in the usa uses EO in testosterone, right? why do you think that is? use your brain

pharmacom is not real pharma its a ugl source clown... im done responding to you... you dont even know the basics just stop talking

It was a analogy. Search for that word.

Classic end of discussion when a eo is toxic guy is asked to backup his claim with evidence.
US is not the only country in the world. See Europe when eo is used by real pharma company.

How do you think this rep can support his demand to the big boss to remove the eo because a random forum guy said is bad?He asked for something to backup his demand like a study done by someone. They use eo for years he need a solid evidence to change their recipe.

In all this time that you try to be a bad guy you could post something to see everyone how bad eo is. You said that you don't have time to look for studies but you have time to make pointless noise.
I did this job for you a long while ago and there is 0 evidence to support this theory. Nada in the whole internet.

Also on a side note I wonder if all bad guys behind the screen are as bad in real life. I bet no one would call someone a clown face 2 face. But you have your safe space when nothing can happen to you. You can be what you want to be on the internet that's wonderful. Stop acting though it's not helping anyone but your not here for that it seems.
Being somehow polite even on a forum is not a sign of weakness but a sign of maturity

I will also stop responding but not because I can't backup what I claim but because in sign of respect for this source and not fill this topic with something that isn't on a subject like call you a small dick insecurity bitch.

If anyone is actually able to show some evidence on eo I'm really curious to see as I didn't find anything and I looked everywhere I could

 

[broilovesushi]

My package says it was delivered via 17 track about 2 days ago and since have still not seen. Can anyone from pcom look into this for me please?

 

[RThoads]

My package says it was delivered via 17 track about 2 days ago and since have still not seen. Can anyone from pcom look into this for me please?

Please send me a private message with your order number and tracking info. I will see if i'm able to help or offer any advice.

 

[PHL Official]

Been a customer of Basicstero for over 7 years now. Recently placed an order. Just the usuals - some oils and and AI & T3 tabs. Every time I've placed an order like this previously - Basicstero has separated the oils and the orals into separate packages and I get two tracking #'s.

This made a lot of sense to me, as a package containing both oils and orals is much more likely to be flagged at customs. So, they separate them into separate packages. This, combined with the fact they disguise the items as something else, has been highly successful for me in avoiding seizures over the 5 dozen orders or so I've placed.

On the most recent order, however, they've abandoned this and are now shipping everything together in one package. I called them out on this, mentioning all of the above, and all I get as a generic reply is "multiple orders must be placed if you want them to be shipped in more than one package".

The reason I bring this up is because seizure rates have increased greatly - I have had more seizures in the last year than the last 6 combined! Anything you can do to minimize seizures helps!

At least tell the user that they must place multiple orders for multiple packages on the confirmation screen. Because it's mentioned nowhere in the order confirmation or FAQ. Better yet, offer the user the option to split oils and orals up for an added fee! You already do this with shipping the original packaging, so it would be simple to add...

Hi there!
Yes, we agree with you - in general you are right.
But now we spend much more money on quality logistics, and this allows us to make shipping more convenient for our precious customers!

 

[-Maui-]

wow very nice stock on products!
Looks like you will enjoy some good gains.
What do you plan to do; what is your current cycle plan?

In the new year I plan to gain a little on testosterone and nandrolone, and in the spring I will burn fat on trenbolone and masterone.

 

[-Maui-]

Hi, thank you for your feedback, glad you got your order. If in the future you have any questions or need any help, feel free to write us here, we will always help.

I have another question.
Given the latest news, I decided to make supply of "vitamins" for a year or two ))
Do you have any limitations on the size of one order?
If the order is large, does it make sense to split it into several?

 

[readalot]

If anyone is actually able to show some evidence on eo I'm really curious to see as I didn't find anything and I looked everywhere I could

You did?

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store'

Nov 28, 2024

Myocardial Cell Damage by Fatty Acid Ethyl Esters : Journal of Cardiovascular Pharmacology

e (FAEE) to mitochondria and their capacity to hydrolyze these FAEE. In vivo effects of ethyl esters were studied by the direct transfer of [3H]oleate into the myocardium. Mitochondria were prepared from the myocardium of injected rats, and the amount of [3H]oleate bound to them was determined...

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1080/13556219872308

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[-Maui-]

you realize no pharma company in the usa uses EO in testosterone, right? why do you think that is? use your brain

Also, no one makes testosterone with a concentration higher than 250 mg/ml and does not mix several steroids in one vial for ease of use.
Maybe they just don't know how to cook it

 

[-Maui-]

You did?

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store'

Nov 28, 2024

Myocardial Cell Damage by Fatty Acid Ethyl Esters : Journal of Cardiovascular Pharmacology

e (FAEE) to mitochondria and their capacity to hydrolyze these FAEE. In vivo effects of ethyl esters were studied by the direct transfer of [3H]oleate into the myocardium. Mitochondria were prepared from the myocardium of injected rats, and the amount of [3H]oleate bound to them was determined...

journals.lww.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1080/13556219872308

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Conclusions: do not inject pure EO directly into the heart, it is equivalent to many years of alcoholism ))

 

[RThoads]

I have another question.
Given the latest news, I decided to make supply of "vitamins" for a year or two ))
Do you have any limitations on the size of one order?
If the order is large, does it make sense to split it into several?

There is no limit to the size of an order.
If you want to guarantee lager orders are split specific ways into multiple packs, then you can simply make multiple orders with each individual order containing the specific items you want grouped together in a pack.
By this I mean, instead of one giant order, divide the order into multiple smaller orders and you may arrange each according to how you would like the items packed together (for example, all orals in one order, all testosterones in another order, nandrolones and boldenones in another order, and all ancillaries in yet another order, etc. all according to your choice and preference).

Here is a copy of what I said in reply to another guy about this topic.

In regards to splitting orders into multiple packs, my experience has been around 24 to 30 (approximately, it all depends of the individual packer, sometimes a little more or a little less) vials is usually the most that will fit into one pack.

The orders I've had that are larger than that have always been split. I try not to order more than what required two packs because I don't want too many packs coming at once.
I have tried to figure out the exact number so I can maximize just two packs for an order, but it does not seem specific -- I have received packs as small as 10 vials and as large as high 20s or maybe even nearly 30 in one pack.
On average, it seems like most of the warehouse packers put around 24 to 30 in one pack max and then split the remainder to another pack if there is more than that.
If I remember correctly, 24 per pack seems like the most common situation.

As you mentioned, we can force a specific number of items per pack by placing them in separate orders.
I just never thought about doing that because i was being cheap and didn't wanted to pay for another shipping; but that makes sense and I way I can control exactly what goes into a pack -- I guess 20 bucks really doesn't matter and I won’t even make a difference in my life it in the big scheme of things if it means I can make sure I get what I want and I'm safe.

 

[RThoads]

In the new year I plan to gain a little on testosterone and nandrolone, and in the spring I will burn fat on trenbolone and masterone.

Sounds like a good long term plan
Make sure to run at least a little bit of testosterone with you Tren and Mast just to provide a little bit of bioidentical hormome and some substrate for down estrogen.
I hope you enjoy good cycles and lot so gains brother!

 

[readalot]

Conclusions: do not inject pure EO directly into the heart, it is equivalent to many years of alcoholism ))

That's one conclusion. Any other ones? Purpose of needlessly using EO in the products? Oil preservative? Let's get real.

 

[-Maui-]

As you mentioned, we can force a specific number of items per pack by placing them in separate orders.
I just never thought about doing that because i was being cheap and didn't wanted to pay for another shipping; but that makes sense and I way I can control exactly what goes into a pack -- I guess 20 bucks really doesn't matter and I won’t even make a difference in my life it in the big scheme of things if it means I can make sure I get what I want and I'm safe.

I agree. It will be more reliable and safe. I think I will make several orders with a difference of a week or so, so that several parcels are not at the post office at once.
Thanks!

 

[-Maui-]

Sounds like a good long term plan
Make sure to run at least a little bit of testosterone with you Tren and Mast just to provide a little bit of bioidentical hormome and some substrate for down estrogen.
I hope you enjoy good cycles and lot so gains brother!

Of course. I use testosterone in all cycles.