Infernalmango
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Checked out their website a few days ago for shits n giggles. Prices are ridiculous. Not sure how they have sales at all.
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Well bigj’s batch is from 2024 when you see the pic of his vial so which batch was that that they tested under sample 10? Is that a completely different brew? He just bought that in August. My friends who have ordered Pharmacom say they recieved same batch in October as well
BALLISTIC
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In that case I'm now skeptical to whether or not they put these aside for a rainy day. I don't want to speak to their process as I don't know. Again given the current situation with production.
Either way the question will be do they have current testing available, or did they purposefully offer that up because other testing shows what bigjp just discovered?
Unders
can you show us the recent tests for the raws ?
We generally do advise clients to send just 1 ml of oil in a clean container- less risky, we don't really need more and keeps the samples blind for us, which gives the community way to check on us.
The above does look like a used peptide vial with the crimp still on - I would slightly worry aobut whether it still qualifies as a clean container.
YiL
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I have an order on the way, test E300. Gonna send in 1ml for blind testing, let’s see what happens! Any suggestions on how to ship the 1ml is appreciated! Was thinking using a sterile syringe with a cap.
Pharmacom is and will remain one of the best brands there is. And the fact that it has been around for over a decade speaks for itself. I've never heard anything bad. My number 1 and always stops these pointless speculations. If brings proper tests and that's it. Always discuss and everyone has to add their two cents. What has happened to this world?
Hello, everyone!
I would like to share a message from the founder of our brand:
"You know what bothers me most about this situation?
It's not that someone has exposed yet another scam, nor that we've once again made it clear to everyone that Pharmacom never deceives its users, but that every time there's a fuss about us, everyone immediately starts screaming that Pharmacom has gone under, that they can't be trusted anymore, and that we're going elsewhere.
Why, after 20 years with us, haven't you asked yourself from the start: are competitors trying to ruin the reputation of the oldest and most respected brand on the market?
After all, it's always the name of Pharmacom versus an anonymous person who simply made a statement. Or, I wouldn't be surprised, all these angry reviews are also fueled by those who create these ridiculous rumors for their own agenda.
After 20 years of experience in this field, nothing in this world surprises me anymore.
As for the actual situation: we could, like 90% of brands on the market, pour in empty oil and sell it to gullible customers, but our warehouses are practically empty, and what's on the shelves is the last of our supplies, as the world is facing a major shortage of raw materials, and we haven't yet found a solution. But deceiving our consumers will definitely never be the solution."
I would like to share a message from the founder of our brand:
"You know what bothers me most about this situation?
It's not that someone has exposed yet another scam, nor that we've once again made it clear to everyone that Pharmacom never deceives its users, but that every time there's a fuss about us, everyone immediately starts screaming that Pharmacom has gone under, that they can't be trusted anymore, and that we're going elsewhere.
Why, after 20 years with us, haven't you asked yourself from the start: are competitors trying to ruin the reputation of the oldest and most respected brand on the market?
After all, it's always the name of Pharmacom versus an anonymous person who simply made a statement. Or, I wouldn't be surprised, all these angry reviews are also fueled by those who create these ridiculous rumors for their own agenda.
After 20 years of experience in this field, nothing in this world surprises me anymore.
As for the actual situation: we could, like 90% of brands on the market, pour in empty oil and sell it to gullible customers, but our warehouses are practically empty, and what's on the shelves is the last of our supplies, as the world is facing a major shortage of raw materials, and we haven't yet found a solution. But deceiving our consumers will definitely never be the solution."
YiL
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A quick update! I ordered on Saturday 6-12 and today (Wednesday 10-12) I received the tracking number. So yes EU shipment 3-8 days, it’s on schedule 
BALLISTIC
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You know what will bother most of us about this situation is the arrogant response from a millionaire vendor attempting to scapegoat. Again outrageous pricing, but some are willing to piss their income away. So good for you.
With respect, the founder’s response reframes this into a narrative about competitors, reputation, and anonymous agendas. It never actually addresses the analytical result itself. More importantly, @BigJP did not ask for a refund, credit, replacement, or any compensation at all. Only he knows if he's acting ethically, and you once again are using smoke and mirrors to avoid controversy. Blame shifting has been done before you should see how that worked out. The test was initiated and funded solely for verification. That alone removes any leverage base or agenda BS motive.
Janoshik’s comment also directly confirms the correct submission protocol was followed. Advising clients to send just 1ml in a clean container.
The only concern raised was that the vial appeared previously used, which is a container cleanliness question, not a potency mechanism. I also can't say it is or isn't from a still image. @BigJP will have to comment. A dry peptide vial without added solvent cannot selectively reduce testosterone ester concentration by a large margin. At worst, contamination introduces analytical noise or minimal dilution. It does not explain a drastic underdose as reported.
This wasn’t a loyalty test, a refund attempt, or a reputation attack. It was a blind, voluntary verification using Janoshik’s own recommended protocol.
The only unresolved issue remains the number that came back on the report.
That’s what deserves discussion.
I don't pick sides, but I also don't like shit comments trying to bully the forums into submission.
Who stated you're going under? RThoads? By mentioning market conditions and stock not being resupplied? Or the final paragraph of this shit statement?
Why after 20 years and millions made are you so defensive about going somewhere? Quality issues arising? Shit distributors, unethical testing or production? Lack of inventory?
Hell, Peter Madzhik (Janoshik) even stated in "The steroid market has collapsed" clear compelling reasoning for this to be even more probable.
"When the raw material foundation collapses, the problem front shifts to finished forms. Manufacturers, testing only part of a batch, fail to detect duds and "spread" them across the entire range of oils and tablets. This forms an avalanche of duds, substitutions, and underdosing, which reaches the end user in the form of attractive packaging but without the expected pharmacological content." "It has never been this bad."
The best outcome is to see where others test out. Not picking sides but stop your angry, nonsense, retaliation shit posting if your not going to put your money where your mouth is. I think it needs to be collaborated with Bigjp to locate numerous other customers with the same batch, same compound, same purchase period, same distributor since one is manufacturing and the other is a representative. Ensure all things are equal, and see if your ship sinks.
No. The analytic result may not have been accurate.
All other testing, even from other customers, from that same time period show good results.
We do not know the quality and cleanliness of the vials used for the transfer, we do not know how the products were stored, and we do not know if any mistakes were made.
I would not treat the results as the standard until additional results are in agreement.
Think about it -- why would you treat this one result as the standard but all the other results are wrong?
What makes these results truer or more accurate than the other results, including other customer results?
Why not treat any of the other results are the correct result?
Raww
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These guys sure seem to be going out of their way to insult and demean their customers - I feel insulted by their response here.
I’m not choosing sides i was just asking for my own knowledge my friend. I think the arguments here is that this is the only test showing this batch number. Where as the other tests have”10” wrapped around the vial
ZaddyZonar
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Sending in a good sample and then pushing underdosed batches, we’ve seen it before. It was mentioned a few pages back there probably isn’t even any product left from this batch. So even then, your testing will be meaningless
Raww
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Awesome.
Are you actively and openly attempting to get other customers to do this testing? Coordinating it? Seeking them out and offering to pay for it?
You are making disrespectful statements about me without ever talking to me or knowing me. That tells me a lot about you.
@BigJP and I are on good terms and speak to each other respectfully.
I have gone above and beyond for many people here over the years.
But you, someone that does not even know me, talks shit about me.
I won't even lower myself to your level or be rude here, because you can already guess how I feel about the way you act toward me.
By the way, your statements are full of contradictions.
For example, you act confused about a statement that mentions the risks of sources "going under."
But shortly later you cite Jano's interview that "The steroid market has collapsed" and give examples of potential problems that result from sources are going under.
Also, you are wrong about a used vial and how much it can influence the results.
Firstly, before you start your drama and virtue signalling, let me say that I have no idea what vial BigJP used or didn't use nor do I know if it was clean or not, so this is not an accusation towards him doing anything on purpose.
If the vial was not clean and had other liquid left in it, there is a potential to dilute the results. We are only talking about a 1 mL sample. What is there was something left in the vile, especially it the volume was a heterogeneous mixture, it could skew the results.
I wonder about the logic that these results are somehow infallible, but all the others results don't matter.
It shows you are not logical.
If there are many other data points that are all in agreement, then the outlier is usually the one that is erroneous.
You completely disregard all the other results.
You completely disregard all the other possibilities.
You completely disregard decades of good business.
But you worship these results as if they are the eternal truth handed down from heaven.
You're not interested in figuring out the truth -- you're only here to push an agenda and it shows.
You downplay or completely disregard anything that challenges your narrative.
Where is your suggestion to BigJP to or Basicstero to send one of the unopened vials to get more info?
Where is your curiosity about how one group of result are in disagreement with years of other results including results of products from the same time period (the guy on Reddit posted MIX-M from the same exact month BigJP's were purchased)?
Where is your concern about the transfer vial?
Where are your question about how the product was stored (a hot care in August, direct sun light, anything that can speed degradation)?
Where is the genuine desire to figure out what is going on?
Nope, all you have is prejudice and reject anything other than your assumption the source is bad.
It is clear you are not interested in getting to the truth or you would act differently and try to figure out why the results do not agree with the greater body of work -- I don't recall you even participating in this thread much before this -- it looks like you just see an opportunity to make drama and bash a source.
Explain why the other customers' results and anonymous testing results do not also show this alleged problem?
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Basicstero/comments/1ntrn1r/masteron_and_primo_results/
Anyone is free to get testing.
For example, BigJP just got testing and no one paid him to do it.
I don't have the authority to make such decisions, but I hope Basicstero does not fall for any pressure to pay customers for testing.
But, all I can do is offer everyone advice; I can't make the policies.
People will just say that the testing was influences by the source.
Nonetheless, Basicstero does currently have a policy to reimburse customers for analytic testing in some cases (the link below for more details).
Scroll down to the bottom of the "Terms" page on the Basicstero site.
There are conditions for analytic testing if a customer doubts the quality of the product.
Code:
https://basicstero.ws/terms
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