Pharmacom Sustanon - Bloodwork

[Volley_Fire]

Pharmacom Sustanon ordered from BasicStero domestic, blood drawn 6.5 weeks into cycle, 48 hours after last pin.
Dosage was 600mg per week (300mg twice weekly). Also running Pharmacom EQ @ 900mg per week, and HCG 250IU twice weekly. Previously running Pharmacom Tbol @ 40mg ED for 5.5 weeks.

Using pharma Letro at ~0.75mg EOD which is obviously keeping my E2 in check. Wondering why my platelets are high, but Hb/Hct are fine and seemingly unaffected by the EQ (at this point, anyway).

Total T (1963) is certainly lower than I had hoped for.

 

[Wunderpus]

Pharmacom Sustanon ordered from BasicStero domestic, blood drawn 6.5 weeks into cycle, 48 hours after last pin.
Dosage was 600mg per week (300mg twice weekly). Also running Pharmacom EQ @ 900mg per week, and HCG 250IU twice weekly. Previously running Pharmacom Tbol @ 40mg ED for 5.5 weeks.

Using pharma Letro at ~0.75mg EOD which is obviously keeping my E2 in check. Wondering why my platelets are high, but Hb/Hct are fine and seemingly unaffected by the EQ (at this point, anyway).

Total T (1963) is certainly lower than I had hoped for.

Woah.... sorry to see this!

What was your natural TT? I wonder if it's bunk sustanon and the HCG increased your levels to 1963?

 

[Volley_Fire]

What was your natural TT?

In the 650-680 range... I don't remember the exact # from my precycle bloods.

 

[Wunderpus]

Not sure how much HCG increases TT. @Docd187123 , any idea?

 

[Wunderpus]

@johnnyBALLZ looks like the theory about the bunk stuff coming from Darius and not Frank is over....

 

[mands]

Pharmacom Sustanon ordered from BasicStero domestic, blood drawn 6.5 weeks into cycle, 48 hours after last pin.
Dosage was 600mg per week (300mg twice weekly). Also running Pharmacom EQ @ 900mg per week, and HCG 250IU twice weekly. Previously running Pharmacom Tbol @ 40mg ED for 5.5 weeks.

Using pharma Letro at ~0.75mg EOD which is obviously keeping my E2 in check. Wondering why my platelets are high, but Hb/Hct are fine and seemingly unaffected by the EQ (at this point, anyway).

Total T (1963) is certainly lower than I had hoped for.

What are the esters involved with his sustanon?

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

What are the esters involved with his sustanon?

mands

According to their site-

• Testosterone propionate 30 mg/ml

• Testosterone phenylpropionate 60 mg/ml

• Testosterone isocaproate 60 mg/ml

• Testosterone decanoate 100 mg/ml

 

[turcao]

Not sure if it's worth pointing out that this was from the domestic location of BasicStero.

 

[rutman]

I don't think that you can gauge "true" test levels with sustanon... Too many esters with different peaks and timing involved. I may be wrong though... Just my opinion

 

[Wunderpus]

I don't think that you can gauge "true" test levels with sustanon... Too many esters with different peaks and timing involved. I may be wrong though... Just my opinion

Sure, but it would still be more than 3x. Right?

 

[Docd187123]

Not sure how much HCG increases TT. @Docd187123 , any idea?

Not sure exactly but I wouldn't think it would increase TT levels that far above normal range

Edit* especially if only 250iu HCG twice a week.

Then you have the fact that according to this "rule" for test e you'd need to test 24hrs +/- 12hrs and this was done at 48hrs. Then there's the fact almost half the solution is short ester which would peak faster than the test e the rule was designed around.

 

[mands]

@Volley_Fire so you are injecting 1.2ml Monday's and Thursday's to get 300mg of sustanon?

I truly think with those esters he's right where he should be.

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

@Volley_Fire so you are injecting 1.2ml Monday's and Thursday's to get 300mg of sustanon?

I truly think with those esters he's right where he should be.

mands

Really? I am shocked. I would think with such a mix you would have some carry over (half lives still holding on to measurable amounts of the drug).

Also, he said it's a total of 600mg's weekly.

*excuse my ignorance with the sustanon esters. I never use sustanon.

 

[mands]

Really? I am shocked. I would think with such a mix you would have some carry over (half lives still holding on to measurable amounts of the drug).

Also, he said it's a total of 600mg's weekly.

*excuse my ignorance with the sustanon esters. I never use sustanon.

I'm looking into it(trying to plot it out) but your longer ester is only 100mg per ml and he's taking 120mg of it twice a week. The bio availability of test for that ester is like 28mg or something a day.

He might be a little low but I don't think that bad.

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

I'm looking into it(trying to plot it out) but your longer ester is only 100mg per ml and he's taking 120mg of it twice a week. The bio availability of test for that ester is like 28mg or something a day.

He might be a little low but I don't think that bad.

mands

Interesting. let me know what you find. I am used to prop and enan only....

Dosage was 600mg per week (300mg twice weekly).

 

[rutman]

@Volley_Fire so you are injecting 1.2ml Monday's and Thursday's to get 300mg of sustanon?

I truly think with those esters he's right where he should be.

mands

That's my thoughts as well. If you break all the estrer's down and calculate they're half life into the equation, he's close to being where I'd expect him to be. He's not getting that much pinning twice per week.

I'm one of those that sus needs to be pinned eod or e3d.

 

[Volley_Fire]

@Volley_Fire so you are injecting 1.2ml Monday's and Thursday's to get 300mg of sustanon?

I truly think with those esters he's right where he should be.

mands

Yes, except it's just 1.0ml of their PharmaSust 300 product. Their claim:

• Blend of 4 testosterones:
• Testosterone propionate 36 mg/ml
• Testosterone phenylpropionate 72 mg/ml
• Testosterone isocaproate 72 mg/ml
• Testosterone decanoate 120 mg/ml

Edit: Mands makes a good point on the bioavailability of the longer esters, something I had forgotten to consider.

 

[mands]

Interesting. let me know what you find. I am used to prop and enan only....

Dosage was 600mg per week (300mg twice weekly).

Looks like you have about 82mg a day with Cyp at 600mg a week and have about the same with

Yes, except it's just 1.0ml of their PharmaSust 300 product. Their claim:

• Blend of 4 testosterones:
• Testosterone propionate 36 mg/ml
• Testosterone phenylpropionate 72 mg/ml
• Testosterone isocaproate 72 mg/ml
• Testosterone decanoate 120 mg/ml

I figured 48hr after last pin would be just fine because the product is dominated by long and medium esters.

Okay got it! I was thinking 30,60,60,100.

I'm questioning myself on this. Let me look into in a few. @Docd187123 what's your thoughts?

I gotta run to the hospital so I'll check back in later.

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

Sust is too complicated for me... Aneurysms awaiting.

 

[Docd187123]

Looks like you have about 82mg a day with Cyp at 600mg a week and have about the same with

Okay got it! I was thinking 30,60,60,100.

I'm questioning myself on this. Let me look into in a few. @Docd187123 what's your thoughts?

I gotta run to the hospital so I'll check back in later.

mands

My thoughts are it's not that bad of a TT level considering the following:

1) the 10x rule as it's called was meant for cypionate and enanthate esters not sustanon

2) out of the 300mg of test in each ml, you only have 120mg of it from an ester with a longer half life than that of cyp or enan and 180mg of test from esters with shorter half lives.

3) the rule as it is laid out says bloods should be done 24hrs +/- 12hrs from time of last pin. OP tested 48hrs after last pin.

4) OP tested later than advised with primarily test esters shorter than the rule states which will automatically lower the expected results.

5) we don't know OP's pinning spots as each spot can metabolize test faster or slower.

6) we don't know OP's total blood volume. Maybe he has more blood than the average person.