Pharmacom Sustanon - Bloodwork

[insertnamehere]

Taking into consideration only what we know, I think 240mg of the deca ester per week puts him about where he should be.

 

[Volley_Fire]

My thoughts are it's not that bad of a TT level considering the following:

1) the 10x rule as it's called was meant for cypionate and enanthate esters not sustanon

2) out of the 300mg of test in each ml, you only have 120mg of it from an ester with a longer half life than that of cyp or enan and 180mg of test from esters with shorter half lives.

3) the rule as it is laid out says bloods should be done 24hrs +/- 12hrs from time of last pin. OP tested 48hrs after last pin.

4) OP tested later than advised with primarily test esters shorter than the rule states which will automatically lower the expected results.

5) we don't know OP's pinning spots as each spot can metabolize test faster or slower.

6) we don't know OP's total blood volume. Maybe he has more blood than the average person.

All good points. I messed up on the bloodwork timing, but my schedule kinda dictated that I do it when I did or I would've had to wait another couple weeks. I can answer the last two:

5) I rotate my pinning sites, starting with right ventroglute, then left ventroglute, then right quad (vastus lateralis) and then left quad. The pin done before my bloodwork was in my right quad (deep in muscle, 1.5" needle).

6) I would not say I have more blood than the average person. I'm currently about 200-202 lbs, ~15% bodyfat, and 5'11". So, I'm sure I've got less blood than many of the beasts on this board.

 

[Docd187123]

All good points. I messed up on the bloodwork timing, but my schedule kinda dictated that I do it when I did or I would've had to wait another couple weeks. I can answer the last two:

5) I rotate my pinning sites, starting with right ventroglute, then left ventroglute, then right quad (vastus lateralis) and then left quad. The pin done before my bloodwork was in my right quad (deep in muscle, 1.5" needle).

6) I would not say I have more blood than the average person. I'm currently about 200-202 lbs, ~15% bodyfat, and 5'11". So, I'm sure I've got less blood than many of the beasts on this board.

Please don't mistake me for blaming you for the timing of your bloodwork. It is what it is and you did it. That's what matters. It's just necessary to point out that it does affect the results.

Blood volume isn't only based on size. There's other factors that go into it.

So basically glutes and quads which is what the norm is I believe when the half lives and what not were calculated.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

How would you gauge the peak of that test? The fact is I don't think you can, so that bloodwork is basically the average level and is 5 weeks long enough to build stable levels of the longer ester? Too many variables here. His numbers seem on point to me, but let's get the doc on this one.

 

[Dshep]

Actually didn't Mr.b66 bloods from sustanon come back pretty descent @ 600mgs weekly? Like 4200 I thought

 

[Mr.B66]

Yup my BW came back at 4012 ng/dl 1024 free on 600 mg per week but i got Bloods drawn at 36 hrs as Doc jim suggested.

 

[PHL Official]

Woah.... sorry to see this!

What was your natural TT? I wonder if it's bunk sustanon and the HCG increased your levels to 1963?

Correct me if i am wrong, but hcg acts by incresing LH and only as result of it leydig cells start producing testosterone. In other words if it was HCG, we would see higher LH level, however it is down.

My thoughts are it's not that bad of a TT level considering the following:

1) the 10x rule as it's called was meant for cypionate and enanthate esters not sustanon

2) out of the 300mg of test in each ml, you only have 120mg of it from an ester with a longer half life than that of cyp or enan and 180mg of test from esters with shorter half lives.

3) the rule as it is laid out says bloods should be done 24hrs +/- 12hrs from time of last pin. OP tested 48hrs after last pin.

4) OP tested later than advised with primarily test esters shorter than the rule states which will automatically lower the expected results.

5) we don't know OP's pinning spots as each spot can metabolize test faster or slower.

6) we don't know OP's total blood volume. Maybe he has more blood than the average person.

The best post ever. Sust is a difficult blend to test. If you try to catch peaks of long esters, short esters are already mostly out of the body. I don`t see this result underdosed. Too many factors. However nobody cares what I think.

 

[Wunderpus]

Correct me if i am wrong, but hcg acts by incresing LH and only as result of it leydig cells start producing testosterone. In other words if it was HCG, we would see higher LH level, however it is down.


The best post ever. Sust is a difficult blend to test. If you try to catch peaks of long esters, short esters are already mostly out of the body. I don`t see this result underdosed. Too many factors. However nobody cares what I think.

In regards to HCG, I honestly don't know enough about it. I was just curious how much it would raise TT. I imagine the lower the starting level, the higher % of increase we would see, to a point.

 

[Docd187123]

Correct me if i am wrong, but hcg acts by incresing LH and only as result of it leydig cells start producing testosterone. In other words if it was HCG, we would see higher LH level, however it is down.


The best post ever. Sust is a difficult blend to test. If you try to catch peaks of long esters, short esters are already mostly out of the body. I don`t see this result underdosed. Too many factors. However nobody cares what I think.

HCG is a LH analog meaning it acts like LH but is not LH. When you take it on cycle it will not affect LH levels.

 

[mands]

Correct me if i am wrong, but hcg acts by incresing LH and only as result of it leydig cells start producing testosterone. In other words if it was HCG, we would see higher LH level, however it is down.


The best post ever. Sust is a difficult blend to test. If you try to catch peaks of long esters, short esters are already mostly out of the body. I don`t see this result underdosed. Too many factors. However nobody cares what I think.

hcg will lower natural LH and FSH.

mands

 

[PHL Official]

HCG is a LH analog meaning it acts like LH but is not LH. When you take it on cycle it will not affect LH levels.

hcg will lower natural LH and FSH.

mands

I agree with mands. It shall decrease LH. Maybe not directly, but as a result of a negative loop/feedback. Pituitar land sees higher level of testosterone in blood and reduces LH poduction. But technically HCG promots this lowering, we just don`t see it on cycle, cause LH serum is already low under impact of exogenous hormones.

 

[Docd187123]

I agree with mands. It shall decrease LH. Maybe not directly, but as a result of a negative loop/feedback. Pituitar land sees higher level of testosterone in blood and reduces LH poduction. But technically HCG promots this lowering, we just don`t see it on cycle, cause LH serum is already low under impact of exogenous hormones.

The pituitary sees the LH analog, HCG, and thinks it LH so it cuts off endogenous production of LH. That's why I said it won't affect it on cycle bc your LH is already shutdown. Off cycle it most certainly will suppress or shut it down also.

 

[Haunch]

@johnnyBALLZ looks like the theory about the bunk stuff coming from Darius and not Frank is over....

That's funny WP. Don't think I've ever seen a post of yours calling anything bunk but with those numbers that's what I'd call it too

 

[Wunderpus]

That's funny WP. Don't think I've ever seen a post of yours calling anything bunk but with those numbers that's what I'd call it too

Turns out I am very wrong according to other posts here... I don't know... I wish I knew more about sustanon.

 

[Mr.B66]

What i would like to know from the op is, how do you feel ? Hows your strength? Have you put on size and is libido up? Thats very important in the whole scheme of things. I think its been agreed that sus is hard to catch at peak levels also blood should have been drawn at 36hrs and Volley_fire did it at 48 hrs and this may be the reason for the numbers we see.

 

[Haunch]

Turns out I am very wrong according to other posts here... I don't know... I wish I knew more about sustanon.

Yes I may have been premature in my remarks after I read the rest of the thread. You're right, who really knows?

 

[Wunderpus]

Yes I may have been premature in my remarks after I read the rest of the thread. You're right, who really knows?

I don't know haha. I am beginning to think bloods are so user specific. This is why precycle bloods are helpful.

 

[devildog93]

I think you guys are being a bit forgiving on the numbers. A 12 hour difference in testing isn't going to equate to numbers that low. He should have enough of the long esters alone built up to a decent level in the bloodstream to pull at least 1.5x that. Add to that the fact that we have another set of bloods from a guy on the same gear to compare it to and it looks to me as though this batch sucked ass.

 

[mands]

I think you guys are being a bit forgiving on the numbers. A 12 hour difference in testing isn't going to equate to numbers that low. He should have enough of the long esters alone built up to a decent level in the bloodstream to pull at least 1.5x that. Add to that the fact that we have another set of bloods from a guy on the same gear to compare it to and it looks to me as though this batch sucked ass.

Was @Mr.B66 's blood work from Pharmacom? And how many weeks was he on when he tested?

mands

 

[showstoppa]

Just to clear up if hcg can get you that high....well my doc had me on 3000 yes 3000 iu eod to kick start sperm production it was unable to even get me to the very top of the range when combined with 50mg clomid eod. No way it could get somebody that high imo