Les
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The "what if" as you call it was me saying how I would personally handle low blood results. I also stated in the same post that I pulled good numbers off of your products.
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PHARMACOM TEST E MID CYCLE BLOODSBLOODS
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Just helping Pcom. He stated not one bunk. This is from Simec, but I'm sure you have a different garbage can of excuses to answer this correct? I posted this once, but you must have missed it.
How did you determine where to buy your sarms from did they get sent out for testing? Do you have a personal vendetta against these guys? Are you just trying to fit in here or is there something else going on?
I did my research. Man I have nothing against you, but you obviously have something against me. I'm sorry I don't post what you like. However, I will side with a member before a source any day until the member is proven guilty. Again, sorry you don't like my post, just hit the ignore button.
I'm not asking for anything to be sent out for testing, you are. Their a business remember?
I'm not asking for anything to be sent out for testing, you are. Their a business remember?
Dema
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I'm not speaking on Pharmacom's or franks behalf but I don't see bunk results here.... I see over dosed and underdosed results..
Bunk means bunk. 0.0 out of 300mg
These results are old and have been addressed, what's your issue bro...
In my eyes, you did not sell what the label states. I apologize. Let's say it like this. It's just more evidence Pcom isn't as clean as they say. I never said it was bunk, I only repeated what was stated.
Finally, you are always speaking for Frank, Darius and Pcom, your their shill!
Finally, you are always speaking for Frank, Darius and Pcom, your their shill!
I'm not seeing how your against testing. Abusing simic? That's just fucking nonsense man they are a BUSINESS...just like any other testing facility. Lab results such as what simic puts out are the best tools we have and they do trump blood work.I did my research. Man I have nothing against you, but you obviously have something against me. I'm sorry I don't post what you like. However, I will side with a member before a source any day until the member is proven guilty. Again, sorry you don't like my post, just hit the ignore button.
I'm not asking for anything to be sent out for testing, you are. Their a business remember?
I am with you 100% man, really I am. I just want us to get a solid protocol in place instead of wasting time going through Bloodwork if we're not going to use it. I wish they would test every vial they sell and include the results with a batch number that identifies the vial. Not their generic code that's on every vial. Test away.
Do you use Pcom gear?
Do you use Pcom gear?
Dema
Subscriber
Do you use pcom?
I tried to. From both Darius and Frank. The customer service was so bad, along with stock, I never ordered again. As a matter of fact, once I received my gear from my new source, I immediately stopped using Pcoms gear!
I have used their gear but I don't currently. I'm actually saving up my trt test cyp for this fall.lol
Dema
Subscriber
That's okay bro, then move on.... No need to beat a dead horse....
So wait you ran a shilly evo sarms thread, ordered from Darius then frank then another source my my you've been a busy little bee.
Yeah, I am such a shill go look at the last time I posted there. I've never received free gear from anyone and would love for you to prove me wrong. This has already been tried once. Didn't turn out so well for the other person.
Les
New Member
I think the O.P rolled out about 10 pages ago.
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bro, i didn`t mean anything against you personally. Sorry, if i expressed my thoughts not very clear. I only meant that low blood work is still not a 100% sign of a bad product. To begin with, there are no definite limitations, what results are to be considered as bad. 6x, is it bad? So, if pharma grade test shows 6x its underdosed? I remember we had a while ago similar discussions regarding labmax. I don`t trust it. There was a case: our test p failed labmax, however blood work of test p from the same vial was perfect...Secondly, blood work results crucially depend on the pinning protocol, liver functionality, number of individual peculiarities. Other drugs in stack, not properly working liver with AST , ALT in sky (on cycle) can and most probably will easily influence the result. Finally, lab mistakes or limitations are also no exception. Possibility of mistake is not high, but still; such cases are known, at least with moldavian/russian labs.
What if blood work shows low result for some reason and chromotography would turn out positive? As per this logic (replace if blood analyze is poor) we would have to replace the item, but it could be and most probably it is well dosed.That is why chromotography is the only reliable way out. Currently Pharmacom has over 60 reports from Simec and lots are pending yet.No one of the items tested was bunk. 60 reports is a pretty wide range for the statistic to begin with. We could have more and will have more.
At long last, Pharmacom is not some midsized reseller who buys cheapest products of unknown quality from some third-rate manufacturers to make profit on the difference between bulk and retail prices. We have own facility, one of the most advanced (among UGLs). We have opportunities to test products, we have qualified staff, incl. Ph.D`s with pretty reach practical experience.
Sure, there is no control as legal GMP-certified manufacturer have.It would cause rigid bureaucracy, higher prices and,in fact, it is even not possible . Trenbolone, boldenone, other compounds are not intended for human use and, I dare to assume, will never be allowed. There are even no GMP regulations and references to test these products. They just can not be validated as per GMP methods. This is why, you might have noticed this before, Simec has in some reports G letters and in some only N letters. Check here:
Toremifene citrate is allowed for human use, trenbolone enanthate not.
This by far does not mean that products without GMP label are of shit quality. In our particular case it is more the legal status. Non-GMP-certified production does not have to undergo third-side audits, this is correct. Quality/purity of raws is still top notch as you can see in reports.
Resume: we have what we have and we deal with it. You won`t find prescribed tren, eq,etc., especially in amounts you need for bodybuilding. We do our best to keep the quality on the decent level. Some mess-up is possible with any even legal and certified companies and they happen with every manufacturer. But we stand behind products, we provide the best possible (at the given circumstances) quality generally comparable with pharma-grade (except the legal status) and we provide to our customers the real reasonable manufacturers guarantee, quality and opportunity to test products ordered from us and at our expense. Who offers more?!!! We provide even more; we are hear to support customers. If you buy prescribed test e and result shows 5x, will that legal seller replace it just for free? Especially if you come with an open vial? No way. Customers who ordered from us are happy in 98-99% of cases, they just don`t shout about this on all boards. Most issues have organizational origin (seizures, broken or wrong items delivered) and we always rectify them and provide extra bonuses and store credits for inconvenience caused. Normal people with possible issues just address us, describe the problem and get everything resolved within hours. Those who are yelling shit about us by each convenient situation try to convince audience not to order from us, they mostly have not even ordered from us. They do it intentionally and with an ulterior motive. People who tried our source know the truth and the way we work.
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I'm just trying to figure out how you've done all this in about a month and started trt with a doctor. You didnt have bloodwork issues with your doc after being on teste500. Like I said you've been pretty busy.
Yeah don't threaten me Larry the Cable Guy.
Your welcome to go read Frank's thread. But I'll help. June 17th started Sarms, my doc started my TRT earlier than expected, so I started my cycle first week in July front loading 500mgs of Pcoms Test E500. Continued at 750mgs/week until I received my Tren A from Frank on July 25th. Started that at 350 and lowered my test to 250. It's August 23rd today, so that's what 8 weeks on the 26th? Once I received my gear from my new source shortly after Frank's order, I dropped Pcom. I also have prop100 and the free DBol they sent for their screw up.Anymore questions? Please go read the thread buddy. There is a very respectable member who posted in there during all of this. Just read the date on his posts and I'm sure you can add.
Note: nothing I have said was meant as a threat.
Note: nothing I have said was meant as a threat.
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Yeah don't threaten me Larry the Cable Guy.
Can we all just get along...for the older people and kids??
If you don't plan to use these products would you mind sending them to a testing facility? SIMEC apparently has delays but it sounds like there are others. Of course this is only if Pharmacom will front the bill. Seeing as they were purchased anonomously it could be beneficial to the community, especially with all the DBOL issues getting talked about.
