Pharmacon or not?

I'm not certain how the anabolic labs goes about things but it doesn't seem to correspond with reality.

Alpha pharma is another one shown ace on their but inconsistent with bloods, lab max and outright subjective results all over forums.

We just had a perfect example of how "amazing" labmax is. Their head salsman mercury was even fooled into believing NPP was test cyp. Failing labmax without further testing means jack shit.

Subjective results across the forum are just that...subjective. You can't blame some people's lack of knowledge in training and/or nutrition on inconsistent gear production.

Finally with bloods, we' a had several instances with other labs I believe where members purposely kanji plate bloods to reverse scam the UGL. So many factors come into play that you cannot use Scally's observations about blood levels relative to dosing bc A) rarely anybody follows the protocol correctly and B) it was never meant to test the potency of gear but rather estimate time to begin pct.

Also to caveat off of this, simec testing is expensive. Anaboliclab tests one vial of one batch once and gives results. The results are whatever they are. Thats not to say the tested labs product wasn't different before and won't be different after. But there's only so much testing can do, after that it's on the consumer to make a choice.
 
We just had a perfect example of how "amazing" labmax is. Their head salsman mercury was even fooled into believing NPP was test cyp. Failing labmax without further testing means jack shit.

Subjective results across the forum are just that...subjective. You can't blame some people's lack of knowledge in training and/or nutrition on inconsistent gear production.

Finally with bloods, we' a had several instances with other labs I believe where members purposely kanji plate bloods to reverse scam the UGL. So many factors come into play that you cannot use Scally's observations about blood levels relative to dosing bc A) rarely anybody follows the protocol correctly and B) it was never meant to test the potency of gear but rather estimate time to begin pct.
I don't subscribe to the 7-10x dosing thing, but pharmacom had bloods far worse than that
 
Another comment about labmax....until there is an official medical or gov't agency that uses labmax or endorses it in some way that actually lends some legitimacy to it, labmax won't be anything more than a step in the right direction...or in some direction that hopefully will see further improvement in testing to help citizens of whatever country you happen to live in gain some control and improve safety.
I'm certain most right wing politicians equate steroid testing by consumers shopping on the Black Market to needle exchange programs. In other words, labmax is aiding criminals in their quest to break the laws they are desperate to enforce. In no way is it viewed as a way to improve the safety and well being of the citizens of this country or any other.
 
I don't subscribe to the 7-10x dosing thing, but pharmacom had bloods far worse than that

Again, if someone injects twice a week vs once a week you can't apply 7-10x nor compare against it really. If someone waited 48hrs to get bloods post injection then you should expect a lower level than if testing had been done closer to 24hrs. If someone says they pin 500mg a week but really pin 300mg a week in an attempt to reverse scam a source then again you can't compare.

Blood testing is a valuable resource at our disposal but it's only as trustworthy as the person posting it.
 
Yeah I've been doing that for a few years I started out 135lbs with about 14% bf and now I'm up to 160lbs at 6-7 % so I've come aways but I've really struggled to put on any weight the past year and I know that's partly due to wanting to stay very lean. But thx for ur advice.

It took you a few years to gain 25lbs?
 
Well that's what a caliper test said at the end of my last cut done by 2 different people that work for my local hospital and yes I know they aren't the most accurate but oh well.

Brian, you're 5'10" and 160lbs...why the hell would you cut?

Also, stop using this login, it's the same as your FB page...create a new one ASAP and never log in with this one again.

If I can find your FB page that quickly LE can find out even more.
 
Again, if someone injects twice a week vs once a week you can't apply 7-10x nor compare against it really. If someone waited 48hrs to get bloods post injection then you should expect a lower level than if testing had been done closer to 24hrs. If someone says they pin 500mg a week but really pin 300mg a week in an attempt to reverse scam a source then again you can't compare.

Blood testing is a valuable resource at our disposal but it's only as trustworthy as the person posting it.

You tell me bro. I can conclusively say what this guy got was way underdosed

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/blood-work-pharmacom-test-e-and-eq.134369029/
 
You tell me bro. I can conclusively say what this guy got was way underdosed

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/blood-work-pharmacom-test-e-and-eq.134369029/

You tell me, did you read Darius' response to the member where it was stated that during that time period there was a mixup in labelling? Or that Darius offered to pay for Simec testing to verify any claims? Or where Darius offered the member $300 in store credit to make up for the mixup? Or where the member was satisfied with the customer service and replacements and refused the store credit bc he doesn't want free shit? Or did you just gleam all Pharmacom's threads in hopes of finding a bad one?


Darius:

"From what I understand the order was made in mid April. For a short period of time we indeed had some glitches with our packaging, including 2 orders that were mislabeled. It was also discussed on my thread.
Several vials of DECA 300 which were labeled as NOLTOS ( mix of 4 Deca esters). These cases were extremely rare, human errors to be blamed.

That problem was already fixed some time ago. Starting from May all my Pharmacom imports are already labeled.

It could've happened to products that have the similar colored plastic top like Testosterones, Nandrolones, Trenbolones etc
In this case, most probably it was PhenylPropionate or Propionate instead.


To support my theory let's send it to SIMEC on my expense and straighten things out.

Tesosterone is Pharmacom no. 1 best seller and it was recently widely reviewed, labmaxed and tested by numerous members on multiple boards and results speak for themselves.

Please accept my apologies, you'll have all the testosterone vials reshipped + 300$ store credit to use anytime you want."
 
You tell me, did you read Darius' response to the member where it was stated that during that time period there was a mixup in labelling? Or that Darius offered to pay for Simec testing to verify any claims? Or where Darius offered the member $300 in store credit to make up for the mixup? Or where the member was satisfied with the customer service and replacements and refused the store credit bc he doesn't want free shit? Or did you just gleam all Pharmacom's threads in hopes of finding a bad one?


Darius:

"From what I understand the order was made in mid April. For a short period of time we indeed had some glitches with our packaging, including 2 orders that were mislabeled. It was also discussed on my thread.
Several vials of DECA 300 which were labeled as NOLTOS ( mix of 4 Deca esters). These cases were extremely rare, human errors to be blamed.

That problem was already fixed some time ago. Starting from May all my Pharmacom imports are already labeled.

It could've happened to products that have the similar colored plastic top like Testosterones, Nandrolones, Trenbolones etc
In this case, most probably it was PhenylPropionate or Propionate instead.


To support my theory let's send it to SIMEC on my expense and straighten things out.

Tesosterone is Pharmacom no. 1 best seller and it was recently widely reviewed, labmaxed and tested by numerous members on multiple boards and results speak for themselves.

Please accept my apologies, you'll have all the testosterone vials reshipped + 300$ store credit to use anytime you want."

Yeah I came across this and will have to say that I really haven't seen much negative regarding Pharmacom gear (except for issues with dbol that people talk about). And usually when there is an issue its usually corrected such as this instance, but that through Darius. Know people in the gym that run pharmacom test c and they say it's great...can't speak from personal since I have a script.
 
Yeah I came across this and will have to say that I really haven't seen much negative regarding Pharmacom gear (except for issues with dbol that people talk about). And usually when there is an issue its usually corrected such as this instance, but that through Darius. Know people in the gym that run pharmacom test c and they say it's great...can't speak from personal since I have a script.

I'm not recommending them by any means just FYI. All I'm doing is making sure he story is straight.
 
You tell me, did you read Darius' response to the member where it was stated that during that time period there was a mixup in labelling? Or that Darius offered to pay for Simec testing to verify any claims? Or where Darius offered the member $300 in store credit to make up for the mixup? Or where the member was satisfied with the customer service and replacements and refused the store credit bc he doesn't want free shit? Or did you just gleam all Pharmacom's threads in hopes of finding a bad one?


Darius:

"From what I understand the order was made in mid April. For a short period of time we indeed had some glitches with our packaging, including 2 orders that were mislabeled. It was also discussed on my thread.
Several vials of DECA 300 which were labeled as NOLTOS ( mix of 4 Deca esters). These cases were extremely rare, human errors to be blamed.

That problem was already fixed some time ago. Starting from May all my Pharmacom imports are already labeled.

It could've happened to products that have the similar colored plastic top like Testosterones, Nandrolones, Trenbolones etc
In this case, most probably it was PhenylPropionate or Propionate instead.


To support my theory let's send it to SIMEC on my expense and straighten things out.

Tesosterone is Pharmacom no. 1 best seller and it was recently widely reviewed, labmaxed and tested by numerous members on multiple boards and results speak for themselves.

Please accept my apologies, you'll have all the testosterone vials reshipped + 300$ store credit to use anytime you want."
Refer to my first response in this thread.

I called them "inconsistent".

This is an example of said inconsistency.
 
Refer to my first response in this thread.

I called them "inconsistent".

This is an example of said inconsistency.

Darius is a reseller. Who was inconsistent here, Darius or Pharmacom? If the gear was good but mislabeled is that inconsistent? If it happened only once is that inconsistent?
 
Here is another one...

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/pharmacom-sustanon-bloodwork.134367676/

Honestly I can go on and on. Does pharmacom make it right? Maybe so, but my only point I was making in this thread is that they are inconsistent.

I dunno, people have different priorities that they look for in a lab. Personally, I can't stand feeling like my blast is a moving target. I don't have 8-10 weeks to dial in the correct dose every new batch I purchase.
 
That was sustanon blend split in a twice weekly injection frequency (which will lower peak levels), taken after the window for peak levels (which will lower peak levels obviously), and a blend where over half the esters are short estered meaning waiting 48hrs post injection to test would be way too late (which would lower peak levels). That's just 3 factors from a quick skimming of the OP that would result in lower than desired TT levels.
 
That was sustanon blend split in a twice weekly injection frequency (which will lower peak levels), taken after the window for peak levels (which will lower peak levels obviously), and a blend where over half the esters are short estered meaning waiting 48hrs post injection to test would be way too late (which would lower peak levels). That's just 3 factors from a quick skimming of the OP that would result in lower than desired TT levels.

Lower than desired alright. This is fairly obviously underdosed.


They have more good blood results than bad fwiw.. Hence my opinion- inconsistent.
 
Lower than desired alright. This is fairly obviously underdosed.


They have more good blood results than bad fwiw.. Hence my opinion- inconsistent.

There is no way you can conclude underdosed with the information provided. You're not taking into account the esters involved and the timing of the blood work.
 
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