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[size26s]

Lol actually i don't give a fuck about this debate (age, dosages etc..) the main subject was my low igf1 bloodwork, i shared it to have some explainations from pharmasource, and maybe to help some guys here to save money from buying a gh that doesn't work, now cheers.

@Havah toujours aussi casse couilles avec tes remarques de merde lol

You kinda do. Because you asked to see my stats and how I look. I’m guessing you were expecting me be some dude outta shape and who doesn’t compete and doesn’t know anything about gear or diets. That’s where I took offense. I posted stats you had nothing to say. If you want my opinion for all the gear you are on you don’t even look it. My theory is if I’m taking people will know just by looking at me that I’m gear from my build to vascularity to cuts to striations. If I looked at you at the gym I’d think you are just some dude at the gym, no way would I think you are on all the shit you are on. Your diet must be awful because your body fat is very high.

As far as the gh. I’ve never taken and never will and I don’t defend any source but if I ever took gh I’d pay top dollar for pharmacy grade. I’d never waste all my money on generic gh. I’ve seen it enough times on this board people using non pharm gh get bad numbers. If I’m going to do it, I’m going to do it right. There’s is pharm grade gh on this board and if I’m taking 10
Ius of under dosed gh id rather pay top dollar for 2-3 ius real growth.

And yea I think your numbers are bad and I’d be pissed too, but you wanted to call out stats so I showed you most npp I ever ran was 600 a week. And you can take what you want that’s on you but it’s a waste of money your body doesn’t need all that gear. That’s like my friend second cycle wanted to run test 1000 a week. I said dude this isn’t a race it’s a marathon. How about 500 test and maybe another steroid. I still only take about 600-800 test and cruise at 200 or so. But I’m done explaining. Like I said I been here long enough people know I don’t attack people but before you call me out know that I’m not some rookie and take half the shit you do and in better shape all around.

I was told day 1 by my old school head who taught me steriods. Steriods is 15-20 percent, the rest is diet, training, rest and genetics. That’s why we all could take all the shit in the world and will never look like Ronny or Phil won’t happen. Again just saying pac yourself this a long game to play and doesn’t happen over night. Good luck on your next cycles and yea I wouldn’t be happy with that igf score either.

 

[elpasso]

You see all that water?? Yea I don’t bloat up. I know how’s to diet and cut and bulk. And I need half the drugs you do. And all weight isn’t the same. I’d rather take nice lean gains over water weight all day. This was my heaviest in dec 225 before I got diabetes. So I had to drop carbs. Since you wanted to see

Mind to share what part of diet avoids you bloating up?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Lol he's cycle it's not heavy at all nandrolone is very mild. And he doesn't do deca durabolin original which in this case was a heavy cycle. He dosent even dose the test high. Also for only 1 year of training he has solid results. A heavy cycle would be 1.2g test with 500+ tren 1g eq 10iu gh 20-30iu slin in and out orals. 1g deca 250mg test some dbol and little slin is very mild.

And if we have the funds to run fda gh on 10-30iu consistantly along with legit pharma grade steroid on many g's and slin we would look very close to open pros maybe we would be one of them assuming diet training is in checks. Genetics is muscle shape. The genetics you talk on top of the tops is resistance to drugs and commitment ti this lifestyle for years. But most cant do that because is really heavy not only in the body and on the mind to live like this. And you also need hunders of thousands of dollars. Go run 15-20iu saizen everyday alig with tren and slin and tell if you look like you're going pro

 

[size26s]

Mind to share what part of diet avoids you bloating up?

I’m clean too probably too clean lol. I have pretty bad body issues so if I feel I’m getting fat in my eyes I chill out. I’m clean 90 percent the time. Maybe cheat on weekends
I’m pretty much on a prep diet all year just increase some food or cheat a little but on average my day is

8 egg whites,spinach turkey sausage omelet 1/3 cup cream rice with cinnamon and almond butter

4 egg whites, 1/2 cup oats with cinnamon and almonds 1 scoop protein powder shake

7 oz chicken 1 cup rice geeen beans

7 oz steak 1 cup rice greens

1 scoop karbolyn intra workout

1 scoop whey post workout

7 oz chicken 1 cup a rice and green beans.

Before bed maybe some almonds and and shake but depends.

This is mon-fri. Weekends I do add a few cheats but mostly the same all week long. Yea it sucks and gets old but it works for
Me. I’m not huge and I’m trying to get bigger but I’m not a huge eater but I get my
Meals in every day no matter water

No
Juices, no sugar really. 1-2 gallons water a day and I don’t run dbol
Decca or androl. I don’t like the bloat look. Biggest I ever was I took sus, dbol, Decca I was strong but look
Sloppy. I prefer the aesthetic look.

 

[size26s]

Lol he's cycle it's not heavy at all nandrolone is very mild. And he doesn't do deca durabolin original which in this case was a heavy cycle. He dosent even dose the test high. Also for only 1 year of training he has solid results. A heavy cycle would be 1.2g test with 500+ tren 1g eq 10iu gh 20-30iu slin in and out orals. 1g deca 250mg test some dbol and little slin is very mild.

And if we have the funds to run fda gh on 10-30iu consistantly along with legit pharma grade steroid on many g's and slin we would look very close to open pros maybe we would be one of them assuming diet training is in checks. Genetics is muscle shape. The genetics you talk on top of the tops is resistance to drugs and commitment ti this lifestyle for years. But most cant do that because is really heavy not only in the body and on the mind to live like this. And you also need hunders of thousands of dollars. Go run 15-20iu saizen everyday alig with tren and slin and tell if you look like you're going pro

He will never be pro. I’m it talking 15-10
Ius. You can do be nice and lean on 2-3 ius a day. I’d rather spend 500-600 for real gh run it 2-3 months per
Kit then spend 125 for a generic kit and run 10 ius a day. None of us will ever be on big time pros. Have I competed yea, I’ve
Placed 1-2 in each show. Against 12-15 people but I’m also a realist and know I’m not ready to step on stage for nationals and will grow first before I do. I’m not here to argue but you telling me you saw him at the gym you’d be like man he’s jacked? I wouldn’t I’d say that’s a big guy but fairly outta shape. I see guys who compete on national stage and close to pro cards most the time at the gyms I go to and they are freaks I mean freaks and yea some are young in mid 20s and on a lot of gear but when I see them I know Just by looking at them that Dude is a beast.

And I know 1000 isn’t crazy but you think he needs that much I bet with 400-600 he’d be the same and have more money in his pockets too

I’ve also seen my dude who taught me Steriods almost die after his last show. He’s in his 50s and blood sugars were in the 1000s. He’s been going hard for 20
Plus years chasing a pro card. The short freak type 5”5 250
Offseason stepping on stage over 200 plus.
Last show the doc told his kidneys should of failed him from all the insulin and drugs he was on. Long story short he was in the hospital 4 weeks, tons of test ran. Then he wasn’t allowed to touch anything for 16 weeks. He had no sex drive, lost a lot of size, majorly depressed. So all
I’m saying is he doesn’t do so much so soon. This dude was 1000 a week test all year 1000 a week tren for shows, you name it he was on it.

 

[bickel29]

Lol he's cycle it's not heavy at all nandrolone is very mild. And he doesn't do deca durabolin original which in this case was a heavy cycle. He dosent even dose the test high. Also for only 1 year of training he has solid results. A heavy cycle would be 1.2g test with 500+ tren 1g eq 10iu gh 20-30iu slin in and out orals. 1g deca 250mg test some dbol and little slin is very mild.

I hate to contribute to steering this thread too far off course with judging/highlighting individual members and what they are, or are not, but...

But I will say this. I have been in this game a long time, as I too started really young, and the cycle we are referencing would not be considered mild by ANYONE that I know IRL, and I know quite a few guys who compete.

Sure, I see guys online that would consider this mild, but I ABSOLUTELY WOULD NEVER call a cycle with 1g deca, test, dbol, gh and SLIN mild. @AlwaysHungry I respect that in your world and in your experience this might be mild, I really do believe that you believe this is mild.

But this could only be considered mild by someone with an extreme view of what a mild cycle is.

That amount of gear is A LOT of gear. As for @Simobbuilder it's his life, he can run what he wants. Judging each others photos is kinda middle school girl behavior to me. No matter how he looks or doesn't look, that is not a mild cycle.

Just my opinion.

 

[movingiron88]

Dude wanted yo call me out because a few of us said we couldn’t believe he was taking 1000 week test and asked to see my stats and how I looked so I showed him. I never hated on him I just said why are you running such a high amount stuff at such a young age. I get it’s his life and he can take as much stuff as he likes but at the end of the day I think most agree he’s on a way too much shit 22, but it’s his life and he can do what he wants. But as most of know more isn’t always better. Sometime you can get the same results on half the gear. But when he said oh let me see how you look, I showed him. I work hard and train hard so if you come at me I’ll show you the proof to back it
Up. I never once said anything negative just that’s a lot of gear to be on. But don’t call me out and don’t expect me not to back it up. As most people know I been on here awhile and don’t come talking shit or look for tiny shit to argue about. At the end of the day I said you are taking a lot of shit for being so young and I guess he wanted to call me out so I showed
Him. Thanks

I'm not just calling you out, if I was I would have tagged you. Although you were part of it. My point is, he already ran that cycle. You are not trying to educate or prevent him from running that cycle in the future. If he posted saying something like, "how does my cycle look" then so be it. But he wasnt, he came here with bloodwork and has had to defend himself this whole time. Hell of a community. Then it went onto how crazy his cycle is, proceded by you guys wanting pictures, which to his credit he provided. Then negative comments on how he didnt get good enough results from that "heavy" cycle etc. As a matter of fact I give him credit for maintaining his composure responding to those comments. So you can act like you are educating but it mostly hasnt been. So I stand by my comment and feel he has taken to much negative flack after providing testing to the community.

You guys keep swinging your dicks and I'll keep calling s spade a spade.

 

[movingiron88]

You shouldn't be using that much shit at your age and second of all your gains were terrible for the amount of shit you're taking.

Im sorry man but you couldve easily achieved your looks natty. Results are not impressive in my honest opinon but others might disagree. Best of luck man just remember less is more.

you want my opinion for all the gear you are on you don’t even look it. My theory is if I’m taking people will know just by looking at me that I’m gear from my build to vascularity to cuts to striations. If I looked at you at the gym I’d think you are just some dude at the gym, no way would I think you are on all the shit you are on. Your diet must be awful because your body fat is very high.

Yea this is all shit talking and uncalled for. He brought bloodwork to the community and has to be grilled on everything but the blood results.

I dont have a dog in this fight, I just dont like someone being shit talked to for no reason. He didnt complain about cue results or anything. He calmly answered questions and didnt sling shit.

@size26s talk about defending yourself when being called out? But dont realize he is doing the same.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

He will never be pro. I’m it talking 15-10
Ius. You can do be nice and lean on 2-3 ius a day. I’d rather spend 500-600 for real gh run it 2-3 months per
Kit then spend 125 for a generic kit and run 10 ius a day. None of us will ever be on big time pros. Have I competed yea, I’ve
Placed 1-2 in each show. Against 12-15 people but I’m also a realist and know I’m not ready to step on stage for nationals and will grow first before I do. I’m not here to argue but you telling me you saw him at the gym you’d be like man he’s jacked? I wouldn’t I’d say that’s a big guy but fairly outta shape. I see guys who compete on national stage and close to pro cards most the time at the gyms I go to and they are freaks I mean freaks and yea some are young in mid 20s and on a lot of gear but when I see them I know Just by looking at them that Dude is a beast.

And I know 1000 isn’t crazy but you think he needs that much I bet with 400-600 he’d be the same and have more money in his pockets too

I’ve also seen my dude who taught me Steriods almost die after his last show. He’s in his 50s and blood sugars were in the 1000s. He’s been going hard for 20
Plus years chasing a pro card. The short freak type 5”5 250
Offseason stepping on stage over 200 plus.
Last show the doc told his kidneys should of failed him from all the insulin and drugs he was on. Long story short he was in the hospital 4 weeks, tons of test ran. Then he wasn’t allowed to touch anything for 16 weeks. He had no sex drive, lost a lot of size, majorly depressed. So all
I’m saying is he doesn’t do so much so soon. This dude was 1000 a week test all year 1000 a week tren for shows, you name it he was on it.

Yeah he dosent look freakish I absolutely agree with this. But remember he's only training for one year. He b&c and he jumped on steroids on first year that tells me he defenitaly want to earn some money from his body. He's only fault imo and ime is he spend the money on generics but lesson learned. And hesother fault was he believed in low test bulk. But he's gains for this cycle was good but his gains was from dbol slin deca only gave him the look. Test need ri run high for bulk the only reason to dose lowish is to have tren slin hgh in the cycle.

 

[marco11]

Yea this is all shit talking and uncalled for. He brought bloodwork to the community and has to be grilled on everything but the blood results.

I dont have a dog in this fight, I just dont like someone being shit talked to for no reason. He didnt complain about cue results or anything. He calmly answered questions and didnt sling shit.

@size26s talk about defending yourself when being called out? But dont realize he is doing the same.

Ok, fair enough I agree with what you said @movingiron88 I apologize for getting this thread off topic. Best of luck to you @Simobbuilder hope you figure all this stuff out regarding your GH and IGF issues with this lab.

 

[size26s]

Ok, fair enough I agree with what you said @movingiron88 I apologize for getting this thread off topic. Best of luck to you @Simobbuilder hope you figure all this stuff out regarding your GH and IGF issues with this lab.

I agree. Hope it works out too. I too like I said wouldn’t be happy with those number and spending that money to get that low number.

 

[pharmasource]

I did 10 ui bro post cycle, with a clean liver, and numbers were very low, it's weird

If I can to your bloodtest.
My oppinion -
1- bad scheme, timing of test. Why didn't you do the test right at the beginning of the cycle plus IGF natural level test should be done before you start with HGH, IGF.
2 - you are taking endogenous IGF together , can IGF have some influence to results ?

Iam not judging you because you denigrate our HGH, I have done 3 tests in 2 diff. labs, so my conscience is totally clear.
But you are taking 1000mg Nandrolone, plus d-bol, plus testosterone, plus IGF, plus insuline....you gained ( for me ) poor 5 kilo , but all this stuff was perfect quality, only our HGH was shit. Iam right ?

 

[gearwolf]

am I mistaken that people read these threads and new posts for product info/sales/customer feedback and not the autistic novels of some dumb teen gobbling on gear? literally pages of that nonsense to scroll past now, please fuck off to the teenage drama section

 

[bickel29]

am I mistaken that people read these threads and new posts for product info/sales/customer feedback and not the autistic novels of some dumb teen gobbling on gear? literally pages of that nonsense to scroll past now, please fuck off to the teenage drama section

I realize that you are new to Meso and all, having created your account a couple of months back, but if you are here for threads that stay on track and only discuss "product info/sales/customer feedback" you are in the wrong place, brother.

Whether that SHOULD happen or not is a different discussion, but I can tell you after having been here for a few years now, that NEVER happens. NEVER.

Best advice I can give you is to take a deep breath, stop being so angry about it, and either accept it, or look for a different forum to join.

This is an unmoderated board, meaning members can post what they want, where they want.

Not saying you should like it, but for the sake of your blood pressure, you should accept it, because angrily ranting about it, ain't gonna change it, my man.

Just sayin'...

 

[gearwolf]

Not saying you should like it, but for the sake of your blood pressure, you should accept it, because angrily ranting about it, ain't gonna change it, my man.

Just sayin'...

Sometimes people reflect and realize and adapt, so if voicing your opinion can potentially change 1% of readers to not post dumb shit that may save all of us many pages to scroll past. I get your mindset of not trying and just accept what seems predestined of course, everyone has different battles they consider worth fighting

 

[bickel29]

Sometimes people reflect and realize and adapt, so if voicing your opinion can potentially change 1% of readers to not post dumb shit that may save all of us many pages to scroll past. I get your mindset of not trying and just accept what seems predestined of course, everyone has different battles they consider worth fighting

I hear ya brother, I just hate to see newer members get frustrated over this and leave Meso over it, when that newer member potentially has a lot to offer us as a community.

I have personally known a couple of new members who had A LOT to offer the community here, who dropped off for the reasons you are citing above. Which I get, but it is unfortunate.

Keep saying what you want to say brother, I was trying to offer a little perspective on it.

 

[Savagesteve]

@Simobbuilder do you have any of that gh left? Just asking because if the cost is what is deterring you from sending it in to get tested, why don’t you get with @pharmasource and see about having the money reimbursed once the testing is complete?

 

[movingiron88]

@Simobbuilder do you have any of that gh left? Just asking because if the cost is what is deterring you from sending it in to get tested, why don’t you get with @pharmasource and see about having the money reimbursed once the testing is complete?

That's what I'm talking about! Just dont let him pay directly. Make sure the testing is anonymous and unbiased.

 

[Savagesteve]

That's what I'm talking about! Just dont let him pay directly. Make sure the testing is anonymous and unbiased.

Exactly brother. Luckily there’s a couple of options over there In Europe for testing as well.

 

[elpasso]

am I mistaken that people read these threads and new posts for product info/sales/customer feedback and not the autistic novels of some dumb teen gobbling on gear? literally pages of that nonsense to scroll past now, please fuck off to the teenage drama section

Au contraire, it is fun to see this thread going off track every 100 posts or so and people calling each other names without being banned
Mostly harm prevention...