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Mimmik

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Just had a physical and had to have my test script renewed so bloods were drawn. Blood draw was Monday, almost exactly 48 hours after last injection of 200mg cyp. Level came back at 1297. Last year my test came back at 291 seven days after my injection.

I just find this interesting because I've never had anything over 6.5X even on Phizer Cyp. I usually split my injections up, 100mg Monday and another 100mg Thursday, but I've been out of the gym for about 6 weeks and I'm lazily just taking it every Saturday for whatever reason for the last 6 weeks.

Anyways, just thought I'd share. I'm about to start some Ultimate Pharm gear and I am definitely getting bloods done at some point. I'm 6' 250lbs right now, maybe 11-12% bf. I think weight, metabolism, activity level, and other factors like blood volume need to be looked into a little more. I'd like to people start posting stats with their bloods?!? Just an idea, but I can't accept the idea of judging quality of gear based on the 10X theory.

We should start a new thread and start tracking blood tests for people on pharm grade gear to modify that 10X theory. Thoughts?
 
Good idea. I agree, I am sure many factors influence things and a 300 lb guy will be different than a 150lb guy. I will post my pharm TRT result the next test I get. Should be getting bloods taken around end of this month.
 
Agreed good idea. I'll be posted TRT bloods for empower rx compound pharmacy test cyp by the end of the month. We'll see how that stacks up against pharm
 
Have you ever had a blast with Phizer gear, and if so, did you get bloodwork?

I'd love to study the differences between TRT and blast TT levels.
 
Mimmik said:
Just had a physical and had to have my test script renewed so bloods were drawn. Blood draw was Monday, almost exactly 48 hours after last injection of 200mg cyp. Level came back at 1297. Last year my test came back at 291 seven days after my injection.

I just find this interesting because I've never had anything over 6.5X even on Phizer Cyp. I usually split my injections up, 100mg Monday and another 100mg Thursday, but I've been out of the gym for about 6 weeks and I'm lazily just taking it every Saturday for whatever reason for the last 6 weeks.

Anyways, just thought I'd share. I'm about to start some Ultimate Pharm gear and I am definitely getting bloods done at some point. I'm 6' 250lbs right now, maybe 11-12% bf. I think weight, metabolism, activity level, and other factors like blood volume need to be looked into a little more. I'd like to people start posting stats with their bloods?!? Just an idea, but I can't accept the idea of judging quality of gear based on the 10X theory.

We should start a new thread and start tracking blood tests for people on pharm grade gear to modify that 10X theory. Thoughts?
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Once again the 10 times rule is based on PEAK LEVELS AFTER equilibrium has been reached and neither of your blood tests qualified!
 
Copy that @Dr JIM. What would you suggest we do to try and track guys levels on trt? Do you have a blood draw interval you'd like to see? I think it would be worth compiling the data.
 
curgen said:
Have you ever had a blast with Phizer gear, and if so, did you get bloodwork?

I'd love to study the differences between TRT and blast TT levels.
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When I cycle I usually use UGL gear and stockpile the Phizer. I certainly wouldn't mind doing a blast with Pfizer and reporting my blood work.
 
Awesome @pittbox! Thank you for posting bloods as well. Interesting you're at 552 when I'm usually below 300 at the end of the week. What are your stats? I'm limited as to what I get tested when I have blood draws for my physical so I'll use someone else in the future. Although my doc may be interested in tracking this with me so maybe the panel could be broadened upon request?

You know what's interesting @Dr JIM , my doc thinks my levels are depleted so quickly due to my activity level. Her older patients have much higher levels at the end of the week but they live sedentary lives. Her theory is that I'm increasing the blood flow to the injection area during intense workouts, essentially working the testosterone out of the muscle tissue before it can be broken down (carbon bonds broken). Although I haven't been working out, I'm never inside at work and I live outside when I'm home. I'm one of those people that's always on my feet and doing yard work, playing with kids and whatnot.

That's why I ask @Dr JIM, what protocol would you like us to follow? You're very versed in this and if you don't mind, lay out a testing protocol. Obviously it'll take a while to compile the data, but maybe bloods at 24, 48, 72 hours, and a week post injection to start? You're the man on this and I respect whatever you think.

Should we start a new thread for this? What parameters would you need to see tracked, ie. Age, height, weight, body fat percentage, test dose and ester type, time of last injection before blood work...?

@Millard Baker , could a temporary sticky go up once we establish parameters for this? I'll start a new thread when we establish parameters for this to be put up. If not that's fine, I'm just really excited and interested in this and it's been plaguing my mind for years.
 
Mimmik said:
Awesome @pittbox! Thank you for posting bloods as well. Interesting you're at 552 when I'm usually below 300 at the end of the week. What are your stats? I'm limited as to what I get tested when I have blood draws for my physical so I'll use someone else in the future. Although my doc may be interested in tracking this with me so maybe the panel could be broadened upon request?

You know what's interesting @Dr JIM , my doc thinks my levels are depleted so quickly due to my activity level. Her older patients have much higher levels at the end of the week but they live sedentary lives. Her theory is that I'm increasing the blood flow to the injection area during intense workouts, essentially working the testosterone out of the muscle tissue before it can be broken down (carbon bonds broken). Although I haven't been working out, I'm never inside at work and I live outside when I'm home. I'm one of those people that's always on my feet and doing yard work, playing with kids and whatnot.

That's why I ask @Dr JIM, what protocol would you like us to follow? You're very versed in this and if you don't mind, lay out a testing protocol. Obviously it'll take a while to compile the data, but maybe bloods at 24, 48, 72 hours, and a week post injection to start? You're the man on this and I respect whatever you think.

Should we start a new thread for this? What parameters would you need to see tracked, ie. Age, height, weight, body fat percentage, test dose and ester type, time of last injection before blood work...?

@Millard Baker , could a temporary sticky go up once we establish parameters for this? I'll start a new thread when we establish parameters for this to be put up. If not that's fine, I'm just really excited and interested in this and it's been plaguing my mind for years.
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amazing, I didn't realize it dropped off so fast. always wondered why some people dosed twice a week, now I know. I love these threads
 
These are very similar to mine on that same dose of cyp. 1000-1400 are the values I get at 48 hrs. I did 1 test at 7 days and it was low 700's
 
If he's TRT, than an equilibrium has been reached. Hitting the peak is hit or miss, but 48 hours should have as much of a chance of hitting that peak as any other interval.
 
OP Mimmick:
Retrospectively now that I've noted your 200mg T-c dose was being SPLIT into two weekly injections of 100mg each, the results seem quite consistent with the 10 x rule?
 
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The protocol if you want to call it that has already been reasonably well documented in the TRT literature. It almost always involves T-e or T-c given as WEEKLY injections and a 6-7 week TT level is then obtained 12-36 hours AFTER the last pinning.

If done correctly you will discover, as myself and Dr Scally have, that peak level will range somewhere between 8-10 times the injected dose.

However if you or others want to further refute or confirm the existing data I think that's GREAT just make sure your comparing apples to apples.

Which means the following
1) ONLY pharm grade Testosterone is used (Sorry BEAT OFF a pharmacist concocting their next TT brew just doesn't qualify)
2) The Testosterone ester must be either enanthate or cypionate
3) A true peak level at 12 to 36 hours is mandatory with a 24 hour draw being optimal
4) The testosterone MUST be run for at least 6 and preferably 7 weeks before a peak level is obtained
5) If others want to use another ester that's great but those results are not as predictable, just document the fact another ester was used!!!

jim
 
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Mimmik said:
Copy that @Dr JIM. What would you suggest we do to try and track guys levels on trt? Do you have a blood draw interval you'd like to see? I think it would be worth compiling the data.
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6) The mode of TRT administration must be parenteral, IM in particular.

To that end we are not talking about sub-fascial injections, which is exactly what mates are doing whenever the needle length is ONE INCH or LESS.

A legit IM injection places the depot at least 1/2 inch beneath the fascia overlying a specific muscle compartment.

Yea I know everyone is lean and mean and can achieve the desired penetration using a 1" needle, NOT.

That's bc the problem is even if one reaches the muscle (especially if the depth is less than 1/2 inch) the OIL BASED solvent which is used in ALL testosterone preparations, enables the depot to exit into the subfascial space which could alter the absorption pharmacokinetics
 
Dr JIM said:
6) The mode of TRT administration must be parenteral, IM in particular.

To that end we are not talking about sub-fascial injections, which is exactly what mates are doing whenever the needle length is ONE INCH or LESS.

A legit IM injection places the depot at least 1/2 inch beneath the fascia overlying a specific muscle compartment.

Yea I know everyone is lean and mean and can achieve the desired penetration using a 1" needle, NOT.

That's bc the problem is even if one reaches the muscle (especially if the depth is less than 1/2 inch) the OIL BASED solvent which is used in ALL testosterone preparations, enables the depot to exit into the subfascial space which could alter the absorption pharmacokinetics
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So these are the parameters that must be adhered to for the 8-10x rule to be accurate?

Im fine with that, but why is everyone so hypercritical of UGL blood work when those parameters also weren't followed?

Obviously you don't have t answer that. Just an observation that I am pointing out. The shit that occurs on the interwebz never ceases to amaze me.
 
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