That's the reason for doing this. If we collect some real data it should give us some ranges, standards, and answers to compare to UGL blood work to accurately find out potency.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Phizer TRT bloods
- Thread starter Mimmik
- Start date
That's the reason for doing this. If we collect some real data it should give us some ranges, standards, and answers to compare to UGL blood work to accurately find out potency.
Im in. I have all my screen prints of bloods on my work computer so I will get that data loaded. Again, my numbers are nearly identical to your own.
Hey Jack Off if you don't like it you can always leave and NEVER RETURN, I promise few on Meso would shed a tear!
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that there is an established study on dose to TT relationship. You yourself gave the parameters on the study design that must be used in order to draw a conclusion. Anything that doesn't use those parameters can't conclude anything since it isn't consistent with the study design.
It's not that I "don't like" anything, I am just pointing out how idiotic it is to use something as a yard stick (the aforementioned dose to TT study) when the parameters used aren't the same. It is complete apples to oranges. You agree in this thread. How can you dismiss a TRT blood work based on the variable of needle length but not dismiss UGL blood work when the same variable was used?
I notice a trend with you. Whenever data conflicts with whatever bullshit that comes out of your mouth you list a set of variables to dismiss it. First it was the inclusion of an AI and HCG, now you are on about needle length. That is all fine and well but at least be consistent and dismiss ANY blood work that also uses those variables.
At the end of the day I am entertaining you because I am still suspect that there is an established dose to TT relationship. It was an observation made by a guy who once was a prescribing TRT doctor.
Anything else, Dr? Ive been keeping you off my ignore list because part of me wants to believe you have something productive to say from time to time. Next response that is met with an insult in place of your lack of ability to articulate a coherent thought, you make my shit list.
berlin
New Member
jim[/QUOTE]
Dr. Jim,
With respect to needle length, I think that most of us likely use 1" needles for self-administered quad shots. In your opinion, is this problematic?
Thank you,
Berlin
Dr. Jim,
With respect to needle length, I think that most of us likely use 1" needles for self-administered quad shots. In your opinion, is this problematic?
Thank you,
Berlin
Dr. Jim,
With respect to needle length, I think that most of us likely use 1" needles for self-administered quad shots. In your opinion, is this problematic?
Thank you,
Berlin[/QUOTE]
Good question and the answer lies in the depth of muscle penetration.
If ALL of the overlying tissue is more than 1/2 inch chances are the depot will leak out and what you'll end up with is a sub-fascial injection and the blood supply is more limited in fibrous tissue.
I'm not suggesting it can't be done this way BUT it's definitely not compliant with existing medical practice.
There are several reasons "for deep IM injection" is scribed onto most Ph grade TT vials.
1) The oil itself can slow the formation of a coagulum or clot
2) More shallow injections enable the depot to egress, following the path of least resistance which obviously is the puncture track itself
3) The oil is much more viscous and generates more depot pressure which again enables the escape of its contents.
4) Finally the preferred adult site for deep IM injections because of it's excellent blood supply is the gluteal region.
5) THE LATTER is VERY important bc essentially all studies on peak and trough IM drug levels is done using the GLUTEAL region. I only mention this bc of the OP's original question about a "protocol". That's to say if you fellas want to compare data on TT peak levels GLUTEAL injections are the standard.
Last edited:
That being said I SUSPECT the quads are a reasonable alternative, providing the pinning is a legitimate IM injection.
Regs
ji
Regs
ji
3 weeks. .I will post bloods from my TRT protocol.. 400mg Watson Cyp. . Divided in 2 doses. .2mg Adex weekly. .250iu 2x weekly HCG. Jim, will the hcg create any inconsistency on my labs? If so what should the timing be pre blood draw?
Damn, that's your TRT?
Jamie
New Member
Op , great post and with all the great replies , this answered a lot of questions Ive had myself about my 36 hour tested bloods while on hrt . Thx boys , another truly informative meso post .
Again if you want to compare YOUR results to the existing literature the following MUST BE COMPLIED WITH:
1) SIX to SEVEN WEEKLY injections of either T-C or T-E
2) A peak level at roughly 24 hours AFTER the last injection of either week 6 or 7
3) GLUTEAL injections (quads are prob a reasonable alternative)
4) NO OTHER PEDs can be used including another AAS, HCG or an AI!
Jim
Hey @Dr JIM when I had my bloods done I was at a point where I was only taking them one time a week when you thought I was splitting it up. I'm having bloods drawn again soon so I will make sure I only do 200mg cyp deep IM 24 hours after my next test. That will put me at 10 weeks with a once per week inject of the cyp 200. Will keep you posted.
Sounds like peak levels could hit in a fairly wide timeline.
I've typically done 24 hours, but tried 48 on my last blood test.
I_know_nothing
New Member
oh god this is gold!! @jackmeoff1 funny how jim keeps adding more and more criteria. i think we should make a new post in lab testing and or underground to tell people the 10x rule does not apply unless NO AI and must inject in glutes!
I_know_nothing
New Member
where did you find that post? i dont think peak levels could be hit in a wide time frame. there's a computer stimulation of test C (or E?) levels and you can see that the peak only last for a short while
It's in the sticky post.... math question.
I bet the peak level does not last all that long, but could happen at 24, 48, 72 etc.
A perfect IM pin probably does enter the body faster than one that lands between muscles. I can tell a perfect pin from a not so perfect pin by the pip that I get. If it all stays in the muscle, hardly any pip.
Does a full moon help? I did bloods on the full moon and hope to see 8 x
I_know_nothing
New Member
yup, we saw with boilermech's 24,48,72 hour results that a strict timeframe does not apply to all.
honestly i would love to hear scally's objections to all this but he seems to have remained quiet. i would imagine it's just jim, CBS, and a few left that are still desperately trying to push this hard 8-10x bloods TT. the ground they stand on is becoming shakier and shakier.
Yes..I'll post the appropriate pics to confirm once bloods are finished. As I mentioned in a different post. .my serum test was 114, and 0 for LH, FSH. Doc. Took some drastic measures to help me out.. will be possibly bumping it up after I see where in at.
I respect your stance on this subject. .for reference I'll post bloods with my protocol, not to be used for anything other than information on TRT. I also use multiple injection sites including shoulders, triceps, quads, glutes. I noticed a new thread strictly for TRT so I'll post on it. Thanks gents
Thanks for letting us know bc what you just described can certainly alter the results
jim
