Phreezer's First cycle FAQ

[SprintR]

I'd like to hear Phreezer's answer to this one!

I'm in a similar boat, being a sprinter, I need as much strength as I can get without putting on too much mass at all. Phreezer, do you think for our purposes, it is best too avoid sust, which tends to blow people up like a big water balloon? Would it not be best to use test prop instead, even though it has to be injected more frequently?
Do you think an 8 week cycle of 50mg test prop eod and 40mg of anavar would be a good first cycle for a sprinter, lighter weight powerlifter, boxer, wrestler etc.?
Thanks!

 

[Phreezer]

I don't have time right now..but later tonight I'll get to it..

 

[thewallop]

coulda ya help me out phreezer

hey man
im lookin to gain ALLOt of str with moderate size , im 195 right now dont wanna be heavyer then 215 after a month that im off the gear.

iwas thinkin about doin
1-4 anadrol 75 mg ed
1-8 cypoinate 1 ml of 200 mg eod
6-10 premobolan 1 ml of 100mg eod
8-12 anavar (dont know dose at all)
then the clomid and and all the rest of the goodies , can anyone plz give me dosages and verify that my cycle is correct and would be optimal.

 

[Phreezer]

hey man
im lookin to gain ALLOt of str with moderate size , im 195 right now dont wanna be heavyer then 215 after a month that im off the gear.

iwas thinkin about doin
1-4 anadrol 75 mg ed
1-8 cypoinate 1 ml of 200 mg eod
6-10 premobolan 1 ml of 100mg eod
8-12 anavar (dont know dose at all)
then the clomid and and all the rest of the goodies , can anyone plz give me dosages and verify that my cycle is correct and would be optimal.

Cyp has a long half life..shooting it EOD has no advantage at all ove bi-weekly. Just go with 400-600mg Weekly of Cyp.
75mg of Drol ED 1-4 and don't mess with the anavar. It's too mild to give any benefit to your current cycle. You won't notice it, and it's too expensive to just throw away like that. And if you can get real primo (doubtful, but okay) You can shoot bi-weekly on that as well. Try about 400mg Weekly, ending it about the same time as the Test.

This should be a pretty good cycle (kind of costly, but if you can afford it, go for it)

 

[Phreezer]

Now for the above question about Sust.

Here's the deal boys, Sust is really no different than any other form of test out there. Sust causes no more water retention than other forms of longer esterfied testosterones like CYP, Enan, Decan. (prop or suspension being the exception).

If you're looking to get harder and stronger, you might try runing 100mg Susp or Prop EOD and anavar would do nicely, but if you want to save a few bucks, IMO 100mg Tren EOD would get you closer to the results you're lookng for than Anavar.

 

[Phreezer]

I am looking to start my first cycle but I am looking just to cut fat not put on size.
I am a pro fighter competing in mixed martial competitions. . My goal is to get lean as possible with out losing strength, speed, endurance est. est..

I am 36
210lb (185lb is my fight weight)
59
I think 10-15% body fat

Then I recommend the same cycle.

100mg EOD prop or susp.
100mg EOD Tren
or 40mg Anavar ED

You could also winstrol (and I hate winstrol with a passion because it causes so many tendon problems) but you could take 100mg ED of ORAL winstrol or 50mg ED of injectable Winstrol instead of the tren or anavar to keep muscle and strength while dieting down.

 

[thewallop]

Cyp has a long half life..shooting it EOD has no advantage at all ove bi-weekly. Just go with 400-600mg Weekly of Cyp.
75mg of Drol ED 1-4 and don't mess with the anavar. It's too mild to give any benefit to your current cycle. You won't notice it, and it's too expensive to just throw away like that. And if you can get real primo (doubtful, but okay) You can shoot bi-weekly on that as well. Try about 400mg Weekly, ending it about the same time as the Test.

This should be a pretty good cycle (kind of costly, but if you can afford it, go for it)

thanks phreezer for the quick responce , unfortunatly i already have everything baught , the anavar i got for the taper or to take after the cycle to make sure i loose minimal size and str. i am getting the premo from a reliable source so id say the chances of it beein real is good. i have 1100 mg of premo so how should i divide that up ?? and since i have the anavar how should i run it ?? i read 5 -8 tabs ed and when ? thansk allot for the quick replies again

 

[SprintR]

Phreezer, over a period of 8 weeks, how much more strength do you think one would gain with the inclusion of 40mg of anavar along with the 100mg prop eod vs just taking 100mg test prop eod? Also, how much more mass do you think would be gained with the inclusion of 40mg anavar eod?
Thanks.

 

[thewallop]

thanks phreezer for the quick responce , unfortunatly i already have everything baught , the anavar i got for the taper or to take after the cycle to make sure i loose minimal size and str. i am getting the premo from a reliable source so id say the chances of it beein real is good. i have 1100 mg of premo so how should i divide that up ?? and since i have the anavar how should i run it ?? i read 5 -8 tabs ed and when ? thansk allot for the quick replies again

o and in gnc they have these t3 thyroids that have anti estrogen agents and receptor blockers in em , do u think if i took thatwith my cycle it would mess anything up ( that is the thyroids stim t3 ) thanks again phreezer

 

[ItalianPride]

my second cycle

hi phreezer,

i read alot of your input, but i wonder if u can narrow this down for me, im 25 about 5'6,160lbs, 17%bf, my first cycle was deca,androl that got me to 160 before i was 145. Now im trying to work my way to 185. I'm worried about my midsection, im getting a huge stomach and im not sure if i should go into a cutting phaze or keep working till i hit where i wana be, then cut up. and what do u recommend for the next cycle.

thanks,

Mike

 

[Phreezer]

I recommend that you don't even bother with a cycle. IMO you can get to where you want naturally. Many people always underestimate their body fat percentage. In reality if you think you're 17% you're probably closer to 20% BF.

If I were you, I would simply get on a reasonable diet. At your body weight, I would recommend something around 1,500 calories a day with the majority coming from Protein, and minority coming from Fat.

I would institute a more circuit style based training program while dieting. Or make sure to add 3-5 cardio sessions per week if you continue with a traditional workout program (Go to the training forum and check out DFHT, HST, or 5X5). I would go with the Circuit trainig while dieting because you simply won't add that much muscle because of your nutritional limitations. Do this untill you can get down to about 12-13% Body fat. Then from there, you can go back up, but do so naturaly.

If you have read my posts, you probably know that I don't advocate the usage of AAS untill you have reached your genetic potential. Which in your case, I would guess somewhere around 175-180lbs at or around 10% BF.

To recap, get on a good diet, do circuit training while dieting or do a good canned program, but add in a few cardio sessions a week. (Try to do so AFTER your weight training) or in a seperate AM session.

You may want to go to the nutritional forum, and then you may want to pop into the training forum and do some reading.

 

[hornedfrog2000]

Pheezer, thanks for the info buddy. I am wanting to start my first cycle, the 500mg sustanon a week one. I was wondering if I inject the 500mg, 250 in each cheak all at once, or twice during the week. And would using clomid for 1 week after the cycle be best? I am 6 foot 4 295 lbs, and have been lifting for 1 year straight. What type of gains should I expect in the next 8 weeks? Thanks again.

 

[iceman7mc]

small problem....

I started my cycle today with 200 mg of test/week and have only 300 mg total of Deca. (6 50mg injectibles ). I took one of the 50 mg deca injectables today. I'm willing to buy more deca since i know that 50 mg/week is nothing, but in the meantime can i inject all 6 of the 50mg injectables in one week equalling 300 mg total for the week, untill i get more. Is it ok to inject the 50mg decas on separate days of one week or should all be taken one after the other? Would it be completely pointless to take 50 mg/week for 6 weeks while taking 200 mg/week of test?

 

[Brian]

third cycle recs?

Hey Phreezer, I just got done with my second cycle. My first cycle was 500 mg/wk of just Sustanon. Second cycle was 500mg/wk of Sustanon plus 300mg/wk of Deca (I followed your first two cycles in other words). FIrst cycle I gained 20 lbs, lost about five. Second cycle gained another 15 or so, lost only like 2 or 3 lbs (My PCT the second time around was better, I followed your recs). So I am 6'3" and before my cycles I was only 190 lbs and now I am 223.5. I am thrilled with my gains. I have gone far beyond any of my goals and have had an awesome diet, sleep regimen, and intense workouts. So in other words, I am ready to take it to the next level. I like how Deca and Sustanon were mild in the side effects arena (Even tho deca dick is a bitch), and I am only 20 so I would like to keep my full head of thick curly hair ya know.

For my third cycle, I would like to get even bigger and more ripped (well duh lol). I especially want that shredded look and heard that Winny does that, but I am looking to get even bigger and doesn't Winny kinda slim you up?

Anyway, just wanted your recs on a possible third cycle for me (should I Just do your Cycle 3 with the oral?) What I don't want to do is do a cycle and not have it be enough and spend a lot of money, like the more cycles you do the more your dosages have to be right? Well look forward to hearing your advice.

 

[Phreezer]

I started my cycle today with 200 mg of test/week and have only 300 mg total of Deca. (6 50mg injectibles ). I took one of the 50 mg deca injectables today. I'm willing to buy more deca since i know that 50 mg/week is nothing, but in the meantime can i inject all 6 of the 50mg injectables in one week equalling 300 mg total for the week, untill i get more. Is it ok to inject the 50mg decas on separate days of one week or should all be taken one after the other? Would it be completely pointless to take 50 mg/week for 6 weeks while taking 200 mg/week of test?

Ummm.... Why would you start a cycle without having everything that you needed?

Anyway... Yes.. YOu could take them all in one week.. all at once.. 1 shot every day.... But since you just started.. you may want to wait until you have everything that you need... INCLUDING NOLVA and everything for PCT..

I would definitly add in some more test... I would double the amount to 400mg weekly instead of just 200mg.

 

[Phreezer]

I'm glad to hear that you had good success... It makes me happy to know that people are getting some good of this thing that I wrote...

First things first... You could run the exact same cycle again.. and still get good results.. this stuff about having to keep uping the bar after every cycle isn't the most truthful statement in the world.. You would probably still do okay on just 500mg of test a week...

The thing about winstrol.. it is not intended to be used as a bulker. It is good at hardening the muscle and it has good muscle spareing effects (Which is why it is a good dieting and cutting drug) It does not "Slim" you up.

If you want to get bigger run cycle # 2 again or run Cycle #3.. Then cut down with a winstrol test cycle after you finish your PCT...(Just to note, I hate winstrol and find tren to be a much better choice)

Take care,

Phreezer

Hey Phreezer, I just got done with my second cycle. My first cycle was 500 mg/wk of just Sustanon. Second cycle was 500mg/wk of Sustanon plus 300mg/wk of Deca (I followed your first two cycles in other words). FIrst cycle I gained 20 lbs, lost about five. Second cycle gained another 15 or so, lost only like 2 or 3 lbs (My PCT the second time around was better, I followed your recs). So I am 6'3" and before my cycles I was only 190 lbs and now I am 223.5. I am thrilled with my gains. I have gone far beyond any of my goals and have had an awesome diet, sleep regimen, and intense workouts. So in other words, I am ready to take it to the next level. I like how Deca and Sustanon were mild in the side effects arena (Even tho deca dick is a bitch), and I am only 20 so I would like to keep my full head of thick curly hair ya know.

For my third cycle, I would like to get even bigger and more ripped (well duh lol). I especially want that shredded look and heard that Winny does that, but I am looking to get even bigger and doesn't Winny kinda slim you up?

Anyway, just wanted your recs on a possible third cycle for me (should I Just do your Cycle 3 with the oral?) What I don't want to do is do a cycle and not have it be enough and spend a lot of money, like the more cycles you do the more your dosages have to be right? Well look forward to hearing your advice.

 

[Brian]

thanks

Phreezer, hey thanks for the advice. I think I will run your Cycle 3 and try the Test and Deca with the oral. As for the Winny/tren, do you mean start a cycle directly after PCT? Or do I wait the usual four to six weeks? And what sort of Tren cycle would you recommend?

Also, I have noticed that after this cycle a couple weeks later I have had an almost complete loss of appetite where I am basically forcing food down my throat. Is that normal? I mean I am still eating about the same but just have little desire for food. I'm sure it will pass but was just wondering if you have experienced this.

Lastly, I did my HCG shots in my glutes and basically because the stuff is so watery it didn't lube the needle that well, so yeah the injections hurt and made me bleed too much. Basically, I want to try to abdomen area next time, can you tell me what kind of needles to buy? And how often do you need to buy a new ampoule opener?

And while I'm at it (lol), I noticed that on my second cycle my heart just never stopped beating fast, like just lying down I could feel my heart pounding. Just wanted to see if that was normal...

Thanks!

 

[Phreezer]

A loss of appetite is not common on gear.... If you're heart is pounding when you lay down while you are on cycle it may be that the side effects of using AAS may be too much for you... it is not common to have thunderous beating while on gear.. it is however, and uncommon and severe side effect.. you may wish to discontinue any use of AAS in the future..

 

[Brian]

A loss of appetite is not common on gear.... If you're heart is pounding when you lay down while you are on cycle it may be that the side effects of using AAS may be too much for you... it is not common to have thunderous beating while on gear.. it is however, and uncommon and severe side effect.. you may wish to discontinue any use of AAS in the future..

I meant loss of appetite a couple weeks after I was off the gear...And damn about the heart beating thing, maybe I was just overreacting? Anyway thanks for the help.

 

[Ltdan]

I know this was asked before but wasn't answered, so here it is:

for the third cycle you recommended sust,d eca and dbol, would droppoing the deca and running 500mg sust/week with 40mg dbol/day be a good first cycle, and then following the PCT protocols you laid out?
Was also considering lengthening it to 10 weeks as well.

Man its great that you take the time to help all of us noobs out.
Thanks alot