Pinning Quads

[Boilermech]

Or where to buy

I made a thread about this a while back. I'll see if I can post a link.

 

[boodecarlo]

That happens with me too with my glutes. All that fuckin twisting is hard to keep my hand steady at times

That's why I switched to quads. It's just alot easier of a process for me. At worst it feels like a Charlie horse but that's no big deal.

 

[Boilermech]

https://thinksteroids.com/community/index.php?threads/Filtered-needles-from-Allegro.134360723/

 

[KGO]

I pin 3ccs in quads twice a week. Seems to be the best place for that volume to me. I think it helps that 1cc is EQ, so I don't have any pip.

Pinning glutes are a pain in the ass (get it?) with that much gear. Takes forever in an awkward position and I move the needle around way too much. Plus with a 1 inch needles, I have my doubts that I'm injecting IM.

 

[Equinob]

I just use a filtered needle to draw all my gear with.

Well, my second pin in my right quad went well until the end of the day, when the soreness came back, worse than the first pin. So I either have the most sensitive quads in the world or bad gear.

The next pin in my left quad, I'm going to use the other vial and see if it's the same. They're both from the same lot, so they most likely are the same. However, that's where this is weird. These are left overs from a gear buy 3 years ago. I already used a vial from the same batch in my glutes without any of this kind of PIP. So if the gear is bad, then it's likely gone bad.

I read your filtration thread with interest and commented there about the difference in filtration levels. It seems the 5 micron filters are only going to be good for things like rust, and larger impurities. Bacteria and the like will require .1 to .2 micron filters. And that begs the question, if my gear TURNED BAD, then what exactly am I filtering for if the larger impurities weren't there originally? Bacteria? Some kind of chemical breakdown?

The test seems to be good. I noticed yesterday my strength increased by 22% in my bench press weight over last week. But the PIP is really unacceptable. What's odd is there's no fever, there's no significant swelling, or discoloration. Just a lot of soreness and tightness. It peaks and then dissipates and improves over what seems to be about a week. All things considered, I'd rather not go through that weekly over the next 7 weeks. And if my body is fighting off infection, then that's a poor use of my body's energy and resources on gear.

I can certainly start with the 5 micron filters, but the more prudent course seems to be to get the smallest pore filters I can -- and those aren't the easiest to come by it seems.

 

[Boilermech]

Well, my second pin in my right quad went well until the end of the day, when the soreness came back, worse than the first pin. So I either have the most sensitive quads in the world or bad gear.

The next pin in my left quad, I'm going to use the other vial and see if it's the same. They're both from the same lot, so they most likely are the same. However, that's where this is weird. These are left overs from a gear buy 3 years ago. I already used a vial from the same batch in my glutes without any of this kind of PIP. So if the gear is bad, then it's likely gone bad.

I read your filtration thread with interest and commented there about the difference in filtration levels. It seems the 5 micron filters are only going to be good for things like rust, and larger impurities. Bacteria and the like will require .1 to .2 micron filters. And that begs the question, if my gear TURNED BAD, then what exactly am I filtering for if the larger impurities weren't there originally? Bacteria? Some kind of chemical breakdown?

The test seems to be good. I noticed yesterday my strength increased by 22% in my bench press weight over last week. But the PIP is really unacceptable. What's odd is there's no fever, there's no significant swelling, or discoloration. Just a lot of soreness and tightness. It peaks and then dissipates and improves over what seems to be about a week. All things considered, I'd rather not go through that weekly over the next 7 weeks. And if my body is fighting off infection, then that's a poor use of my body's energy and resources on gear.

I can certainly start with the 5 micron filters, but the more prudent course seems to be to get the smallest pore filters I can -- and those aren't the easiest to come by it seems.

http://www.gpzservices.com/items/products/filtration/syringe-filters/syringe-filter-20u-sterile-20sfss-detail.htm
These are the whatman filters that would be the better choice for bacteria. As I've mentioned I mainly use the filtered needles for impurities that could be in the vial and for amps. They are better than nothing in my opinion. But if your really concerned about bacteria being in there then I would use the whatmans.
If you can't deal with the pain in the quads brother I would go back to the glutes.
Who's gear are you using?

 

[Benny]

I pin 3cc in my quads. Do have more tendency to hit small nerves in quads, or at least I do. I use 23g 1 1/2" needles, but don't go much more then 1" in on quads. I find the pip is worse if I go all the way in. It feels like there are larger nerves there that are sensitive to the pressure of injecting the oil around them. Causes my thigh to tighten up for a couple days.

 

[BIGMESC]

I'd like to know how many people do this?

http://www.gpzservices.com/items/products/filtration/syringe-filters/syringe-filter-20u-sterile-20sfss-detail.htm
These are the whatman filters that would be the better choice for bacteria. As I've mentioned I mainly use the filtered needles for impurities that could be in the vial and for amps. They are better than nothing in my opinion. But if your really concerned about bacteria being in there then I would use the whatmans.
If you can't deal with the pain in the quads brother I would go back to the glutes.
Who's gear are you using?

I do this thanks to Boilermakers post, just another safety percaution to take.
I preload pins and pin ED or EOD so I draw up both compounds into a 20ml syringe with a filter needle,
switch out needle and backfill or frontfill a week or two of pins.

 

[hwic]

It's probably just you're virgin muscle. I prefer quads and pin 3 ml like butter. I use a 25-1". It's definitely not for everyone, but if you can find the sweetspot it will be you're go to spot.

 

[Walker]

this vid shows a good method of pinning quads textbook from a med student...

 

[Benny]

It's probably just you're virgin muscle. I prefer quads and pin 3 ml like butter. I use a 25-1". It's definitely not for everyone, but if you can find the sweetspot it will be you're go to spot.

I hated it first couple times, but now that I have gotten used to the right spot, no problems.

 

[Equinob]

Who's gear are you using?

Thanks for the link. I only say it may be something other than impurities due to the fact that I already used one of the three vials in my last cycle with no issues 3 years ago. And I can't be sure but it may have gotten darker in 78 degree storage unit which might be indicative of something. Or I may just be a pussy when it comes to my quads. But I'd like to rule out contaminants. Either way it's Elite Fitness:

 

[Wunderpus]

This may just be a case of needing to man-up and deal with it, but I wanna check what other's specific experiences have been, after searching the site.

First time pinning quads. Day one went as easy as it could be. Made the process so much easier than the glutes. However, by the afternoon my thigh was really sore -- hard, hot and flushed by evening. By the next day I couldn't flex my right quad without a lot of discomfort. But there was never any fever, or spreading, no real lump (just hardness at the injection site). After about 4 days, on Advil, I was relieved that the pain and swelling started to improve. After a week, there is only residual tenderness when I press on it, but otherwise full range of pain free motion.

So on my 2nd pin day, I chalked most of it up to pinning 2ml of cold oil loaded with 600mg of test. So I warmed up 1ml/300mg test, pinned my left quad and massaged well afterward. The soreness showed up later this time, but still there by evening. As before it's now about 4 days later and the soreness is starting to improve. Pinning 1ml instead of 2 seems to have been easier, but it's hard to say.

So here it is, a week later and time to pin the right quad again. I've been thinking I should pin my glutes this time, even if it's a PITA, but I'm also thinking I just needed to get my quad used to having the oil in there, and maybe the best course of action is to just go ahead an pin the right quad again, and maybe it will improve with each time? I know the first time I pin the glutes there was some soreness to deal with, I just don't remember it being this bad, and maybe it isn't due to the tightness of my quads, etc. Maybe this is the reality, and I just need to suck-it-up for the "pain/gain" formula.

What size pins are you using? I use 25g, 1" for my quads, and I shove 3cc's in them without an issue. I also warm the barrel of the syringe in my hands for a few minutes, and wrap a heating pad around my quad. It goes in like butter. After that, hit the stairmaster or the treadmill, etc, to work the oil throughout the muscle. Hope this helps!

 

[Big_paul]

There was something wrong with the gear. A number or things could cause the reaction you had.

What I know is that high quality gear doesn't cause that kind of reaction.

recommend filtering it, and if it continues, it has to do with the solvent or oil used.

 

[roastdawg]

Best advice is definitely to filter it. After that I'd recommend warming it up before you draw and make sure to hit the quads high and outside. You want to be up where your boxers are and way on the outside so that you're injecting at like a 45 degree angle.

 

[vgc]

I'm on TRT, so I obviously don't have to worry about dirty oil since I'm using RX T, but I actually find injecting into the vastus lateralis with a 25g x 1" to be substantially less painful in terms of PIP than the glute, though it does sometimes hurt a little going in just because the skin is more sensitive.

I think its less painful because I don't have to assume a yoga pose to get the needle in, so its easier to keep it steady during injection.

 

[BigDave]

There was something wrong with the gear. A number or things could cause the reaction you had.

What I know is that high quality gear doesn't cause that kind of reaction.

recommend filtering it, and if it continues, it has to do with the solvent or oil used.

Agree with @Big_paul. I filter any UGL gear, but still get PIP no matter what. I have never had the slightest PIP w/ Rx gear no matter where I pin it. Think it is the BA content or other solvents like BP said.

 

[Wunderpus]

Agree with @Big_paul. I filter any UGL gear, but still get PIP no matter what. I have never had the slightest PIP w/ Rx gear no matter where I pin it. Think it is the BA content or other solvents like BP said.

Really? Sometimes I get PIP with my Watson that comes straight from CVS. Rarely, though. Typically it's when I pin shittier areas like delts.

 

[BigDave]

Really? Sometimes I get PIP with my Watson that comes straight from CVS. Rarely, though. Typically it's when I pin shittier areas like delts.

I guess it depends what you call PIP. Sometimes I get a little soreness the next day from my prescription, but it is very minor and mostly when I pin delts and sometimes quads... as you said. It lasts no longer than 24hrs and is very minor. With UGL gear I get several days of soreness even after I filter and it is much more intense. I don't even attempt to pin UGL gear anywhere but glutes. I guess it could be the compound, as I always use HG test. Using UGL NPP now, and notice it is far more painful. Guess it isnt really an apples to Apple comparison though.

 

[Wunderpus]

I guess it depends what you call PIP. Sometimes I get a little soreness the next day from my prescription, but it is very minor and mostly when I pin delts and sometimes quads... as you said. It lasts no longer than 24hrs and is very minor. With UGL gear I get several days of soreness even after I filter and it is much more intense. I don't even attempt to pin UGL gear anywhere but glutes. I guess it could be the compound, as I always use HG test. Using UGL NPP now, and notice it is far more painful. Guess it isnt really an apples to Apple test though.

No shit?! I've had PIP from UGL in the past so bad that I could barely sit on the toilet. Time for a new lab when that happens! Haha. You hit the heating pad before and after pinning? Makes a world of difference for me.