Planning First Cycle in 10 Years

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

I’m 41 years old, about 205lb, and have been training for about 12 years total. I’ve been on doctor-prescribed TRT for several years. 200mg of Test C split into 2 pins/week. This dose keeps my test levels on the very high end of “normal” range. I’m planning my first cycle in years and would like some input.
I’m planning on keeping my TRT dose the same, adding 300mg of Sustanon, and 400mg of Masteron per week. From other posts, this dosage of Masteron seems to be the lowest that people seem responsive to. Like almost everyone, my goal is to cut some fat while keeping as much lean mass as possible. I’m also interested to see if Masteron improves my sense of well-being. This seems to be a fairly common comment. Am I on the right track so far?
I’ve blasted Test C up to about 500mg/week for a few different stretches over the years and haven’t had any noticeable sides—going strictly off feels. Given Masteron’s properties, should I get an AI to have on hand just in case? I’ve also read some posts where people added Proviron. Would this be useful? I’d prefer to keep things as simple as possible, but also want to ensure that I spend my time wisely.
I appreciate any suggestions.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Why do you wanna ad 500mg of Sustanon to your 200mg Test C? Did you read about Sustanon composition? I would rather prefer adding 50mg ED of Test Prop, you already have a long estered Testo, why adding Phenyl Propionate Isocaproate and Decanoate?

The need of an Aromatase Inhibitor would be based on some analysis. Did you do blood test for E2 levels in your natural state? And with your TRT with 200 Test C weekly?
If you know you dont have much aromatase enzyme in your body i think you can try without it , and adding an AI starting low and calibrate it upon your response. For 750mg Week of Test i need 0.5mg ED Anastrozole or 12.5mg Exemestane (Aromasin) ED. Only blood test will tell you how much estrogens do you have in your blood.

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

Why do you wanna ad 500mg of Sustanon to your 200mg Test C? Did you read about Sustanon composition? I would rather prefer adding 50mg ED of Test Prop, you already have a long estered Testo, why adding Phenyl Propionate Isocaproate and Decanoate?

The need of an Aromatase Inhibitor would be based on some analysis. Did you do blood test for E2 levels in your natural state? And with your TRT with 200 Test C weekly?
If you know you dont have much aromatase enzyme in your body i think you can try without it , and adding an AI starting low and calibrate it upon your response. For 750mg Week of Test i need 0.5mg ED Anastrozole or 12.5mg Exemestane (Aromasin) ED. Only blood test will tell you how much estrogens do you have in your blood.

I’d be adding 300mg of Sustanon to my 200mg of Test C. So, 500mg of Test total. Yes, I do regular bloodwork every 3-6 months. E2 and all other indicators come back in range. I was curious about Test Prop. Does the fact that I’m actually only doing 500mg Test/week change your recommendation about switching to Prop? I was thinking that Sustanon would be a good choice since it contains short and long esters.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Sustanon is pretty terrible as far as doing what it was intended to do. I’d just get more Cyp. There’s no reason to be a daily pincushion just for 300 more mg of test (assuming you’re using mast e and not p).

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Sorry i read 500mg of Sustanon to add to your 200mg weekly Test C. , since Sustanon usually is made in 250mg ml form. So you mean to add 250mg Sustanon at week?

so 250mg Sustanon leads 30 mg testosterone propionate, 60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg testosterone isocaproate and 100 mg testosterone decanoate Plus the starting 200mg Test Cyp

i think Sustanon has been made to comfortably regulate a blood concentration of test, providing ad ester mix.

i think its up to your preference to mix esters in relation of your wanted pinning schedule.

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

Sustanon is pretty terrible as far as doing what it was intended to do. I’d just get more Cyp. There’s no reason to be a daily pincushion just for 300 more mg of test (assuming you’re using mast e and not p).

Are you saying it’s terrible because of the increased frequency of pins or something else? Just trying to ensure I understand. The Mast I have is a mix of E and P.

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

Sorry i read 500mg of Sustanon to add to your 200mg weekly Test C. , since Sustanon usually is made in 250mg ml form. So you mean to add 250mg Sustanon at week?

so 250mg Sustanon leads 30 mg testosterone propionate, 60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg testosterone isocaproate and 100 mg testosterone decanoate Plus the starting 200mg Test Cyp

i think Sustanon has been made to comfortably regulate a blood concentration of test, providing ad ester mix.

i think its up to your preference to mix esters in relation of your wanted pinning schedule.

Got it. Thanks. The Sustanon I have is 300mg, so the ratios of each ester are just slightly higher, but same idea.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Are you saying it’s terrible because of the increased frequency of pins or something else? Just trying to ensure I understand. The Mast I have is a mix of E and P.

I don’t understand that blend one bit. Ugh. Ok.

Your best bet then is just getting more cyp and prop, and adjusting your dosing to pin EOD. Now you have a long and short ester for each compound.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I think you can choice by availability.

But i think that Sustanon has been made to be used like at 1ml at week, providing a well calibrated mix of different long esters. I think i would go for 500mg of Sustanon only in your case, i would pin it 2 times weekly.

And E2 in check dont means a lot, since the bottom and top of that Check range represent a lot of difference in body composition. I ve done blood check with my friend, he has estrogens at the bottom of the check range and i had at top of it, he s naturally skinny and i m naturally prone to gyno and female fat pattern. So, if you dont have extremely low E2 i higly suggest to run an AI startin with low dose, like 0.25mg ED of Anastrozole (1/4 of a tab) or 1/4 tab of Exemestane and watch out how you respond.

The first time i used Sustanon i did 1ml at week, with no AI or SERMS like Tamoxifen , i bloated as hell and had even nosebleed due to high blood pressure due to estrogens. So it depends by your natural level of estrogens as i already stated.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Sustanon sucks because it failed at doing what it was supposed to do; stable release in a single shot per week.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I don’t understand that blend one bit. Ugh. Ok.

Your best bet then is just getting more cyp and prop, and adjusting your dosing to pin EOD. Now you have a long and short ester for each compound.

I don’t understand that blend one bit. Ugh. Ok.

Your best bet then is just getting more cyp and prop, and adjusting your dosing to pin EOD. Now you have a long and short ester for each compound.

i m agree, it depends on Your compound availability and or wanted pinning schedule.

I would go or for 600mg Sust a week or 400mg Cyp a week and 50mg Test Prop EOD.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Sustanon sucks because it failed at doing what it was supposed to do; stable release in a single shot per week.

why do you stated it? It s a blend of different esters and i think its made for therapeutic use. It contains 100mg of Test Decanoate and it will lasts for a week and more

 

[Mac11wildcat]

why do you stated it? It s a blend of different esters and i think its made for therapeutic use. It contains 100mg of Test Decanoate and it will lasts for a week and more

i know what it’s made for but go check the charts of blood levels over time. The stability is horrible. That doesn’t matter much at 100mg a week, but as you add more the amplitude of peak and valley delta is bigger and bigger. It’s also known to be pip-y.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I would to this:

50mg Test Prop Every other day
200mg Test Cyp Every Week
100mg Mast P EOD

and for AI if at bottom of E2 range would try 0.5mg Anastrozole Every third day, it at top E2 range i would go for 0.5mg Anastrozole EOD (or the equivalent of Exemestane: 1mg Arimidex / 25mg Aromasin) and check them, deciding then if up AI or lower it

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

i know what it’s made for but go check the charts of blood levels over time. The stability is horrible. That doesn’t matter much at 100mg a week, but as you add more the amplitude of peak and valley delta is bigger and bigger. It’s also known to be pip-y.

I heard about the PIP. I did a small test of .5ml with .5ml of Test C and had no PIP.
I’m a little disappointed to hear your opinion on the Mast blend. I assumed the blend of long and short would be the best way to go. Oh well. It’s paid for, so I’ll use it this go round.
Thanks!

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

No opinions on the Proviron so far?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

No opinions on the Proviron so far?

i used it and didnt do a lot for me, it has a big affinity to SHBG and i think its main purpose is to allow more free test from them.

i think Masteron is better at everything regards Proviron.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I would to this:

50mg Test Prop Every other day
200mg Test Cyp Every Week
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or 300mg Sustanon 2 x Week , if you have it and dont wanna go for Test Prop + Cyp

 

[Ari O’Speedwagon]

or 300mg Sustanon 2 x Week , if you have it and dont wanna go for Test Prop + Cyp

Thanks. Since I already have it, I’d like to make use of it. Any opinions on whether the Mast dose should be higher or lower than the Test?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Masteron it s a DHT derived, and I think it has a stronger bond power than Test to the Androgen Receptors, so it should be lower i think. But you have to rely on empirical study etc, i suggest you to read Lewellyn Anabolics (you can buy it or searching for free, youll find easily) for a panoramic of AAS with some info about therapeutical dosages or common Safe dosages. i would go for 100mg Mast P EOD , and i think that s more smart using a mix of different compound than a large dose of one. Instead of upping Mast than circa 300mg at Week i would add another compound. Based on goals etc