Please stop saying Anavar is a mild drug…

[Kylesmith1985]

whats the 10mg doing for you?

Pumps, Mind muscle connection, muscular endurance, collagen synthesis. slight strength.

Not nearly as good as 50mg, especially for strength but the question to ask yourself is would you rather blast 50mg/day for 6 weeks or 10mg/day 6 months? Pick your poison.

 

[Tbaz192]

I’ve run anavar up to 80mg a day.
My LDL didn’t budge much.
Definitely saw the liver values move.
Kidneys were fine.
And my HDL has always been low. Even with TRT I’m in the 30’s. But we’ve seen low HDL not be an issue as long as everything else is okay.

It’s another Person to person. Shocker!!!

And this is why we pull labs pre cycle, during cycle and after cycle.

What’s cluster of a thread lol.

 

[explodingHeart]

Only thing that gets violent and horrible is how I treat the barbell off of 100mg of abombs
That stuff makes you strong as shit for sure though tbh

100mg made workouts so ridiculously easy and enjoyable. I felt depressed af having to come off it.

I know it's sad the peak of my life was oral steroids, but honestly, it was. Now I mostly use TRT and just run a lot, lol.

 

[Photon]

Personally, I do think calling it a "Mild-er" Steroid is suitable. It isn't because it is "weak" or "ineffective". It is because compared to all other oral steroids and even some injectables it's general effects on overall health markers are minimal for some individuals like myself. Preworkout, I get amazing strength, focus, and even some aggression (at least in my head) from it , and I really do think it HELPS put on some good mass at >25mg

Enjoy my 4 month then 6 month final blood work (which was the worst) after a 6 month blast of injectables with anavar the whole time (yes 6 months), starting at 12.5mg for about 2 months, about 3 months on 25mg, then the last 1-2 months at 50mg/day all 5 times per week sublingual preworkout.

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Compared to even a few weeks on anadrol, my lipids and liver markers are WAY better and MUCH less affected on months of anavar.

I also did so some egfr with cycstatin-c's i guess they just werent in these two monthly pannels which showed even better clearance.

Lived the lifestyle - Diet 99% on point, daily cardio, and health supps in play, but no pharmaceuticals like cholesterol meds, etc.

I’ve run anavar up to 80mg a day.
My LDL didn’t budge much.
Definitely saw the liver values move.
Kidneys were fine.
And my HDL has always been low. Even with TRT I’m in the 30’s. But we’ve seen low HDL not be an issue as long as everything else is okay.

It’s another Person to person. Shocker!!!

And this is why we pull labs pre cycle, during cycle and after cycle.

What’s cluster of a thread lol.

Cystatin C?

We all know that for high muscle mass, a creatinine calculated EGFR is not reliable. Why then would we use it to monitor kidneys?

4 weeks on 60 var and mine went up by 50 percent. However I think what people refer to as mild are sides that can be felt. I felt no difference even when it went up so much, whereas you probably feel an increase in bp or more if you did it with dbol or adrol.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Cystatin C?

We all know that for high muscle mass, a creatinine calculated EGFR is not reliable. Why then would we use it to monitor kidneys?

4 weeks on 60 var and mine went up by 50 percent. However I think what people refer to as mild are sides that can be felt. I felt no difference even when it went up so much, whereas you probably feel an increase in bp or more if you did it with dbol or adrol.

Creatinine not a great indicator if it's high but if it's normal, then it's fine.

Training and creatine supplementation cam cause an elevation

 

[baht]

When people say it's mild they're comparing to other things like superdrol or halo

Hell even anadrol's appetite suppressing effects

 

[Stealth500]

Creatinine not a great indicator if it's high but if it's normal, then it's fine.

Training and creatine supplementation cam cause an elevation

Eating a diet higher in protein will elevate creatinine. Anyone who bodybuilds will have higher levels.

 

[dinfar1337]

Eating a diet higher in protein will elevate creatinine. Anyone who bodybuilds will have higher levels.

its actually mostly temporary from meals itself. shouldn't affect a fasted test too much

creatine supplementation can however have a stable effect.

creatinine is 100% mostly affected by muscle mass and not the other less significant stuff.

you can both have kidney issues and normal creatinine levels and egfr's based on creatinine will not catch it. or have high creatinine levels and still have issues with the kidneys.

get egfr based on cystastin c or cystastin c itself as photon says its not influenced by muscle mass and much more reliable for kidney function.

 

[BabaJagga]

Im gonna cooy/paste my experience with bloodwork before/after from "steroid spotlight" thread

just finished 8 week run at 50mg daily during cut with test and mast.
Test was at 300mg weekly and mast went from 300 to almost 600. i ran var at 50mg few weeks before, 5-6 i think but for maybe 20-30 days or so so these previous results are not on "clean" liver from it either.

bloodwork looks fine. supplemented with NAC 1000mg daily, rosuvastatin 5mg eod bur i was off for last few weeks cause i ran out. ofc used fish oil and other normal supplements. clean diet, 0 alcohol for years or rec. drugs.

AST: 0,29 -> 0,38
ALT: 0,16 -> 0,36
GGT: 0,13 -> 0,17
LDL: 72,31 -> 46,4
HDL: 25 -> 27,84

well, cystatinin c increased from 0,88 to 1,02. it was tested 5 days after i stopped var

range is 0,57 - 1,22 mg/l.
previous test was done mid june and it was after short-ish var run also.
egfr from cystatinin on lab results is 1,16 ml/s/1,73m2, last reading was 1,45.

im about month off var or so, im waiting for cystatinin c results, i got it checked again.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Eating a diet higher in protein will elevate creatinine. Anyone who bodybuilds will have higher levels.

Not always. I consume 250g+ a day easy.
High side of normal or barely out of range

 

[SunnyInAZ]

Idk about that. I consider tanked HDL and wildly high LDL a bad side and that happens with essentially everyone running it at a dosage worth using (not taking a statin). Not saying not to use it. Just saying it’s not mild. It may be milder than anadrol but so is pretty much everything else other than halo and tren

I take Primo 400mg/wk or higher 20 weeks and Anavar 40-75 mg last 6 weeks many times LDL has never gone over 145 and HDL never below 25 and ALT/AST high normal taking bloods mid and the last week. Fine to say do you bloods beginning mid and last to make sure your not a shitty responder but don’t fear monger…what your talking about is very rare.

 

[Stealth500]

Not always. I consume 250g+ a day easy.
High side of normal or barely out of range

my creatinine lvls have always been elevated since my 20's I never supplement creatine and my kidney function is fine.

 

[Neolancer80]

Taking anavar for weight loss for it being ‘mild’ when oral glps are a thing in ‘25 is wild to me

 

[RockyP]

It’s amazing the reactions that come when you remind people of the poison they’re putting into their bodies. Pay to play. The last time there was a “debate” about Tren dosage the idiot who kept urging people to take 100 a day or more ended up being banned because as it turns out, a la GH15, he was a source! I don’t really care at all if folks want to take this stuff. If one idiotic kid who is thinking of running anavar because he thinks it’s safe sees this thread and thinks twice im satisfied.

 

[Eddie.]

I'm short on time and haven't read all the posts but i'll say i've used var once and it messed up my kidneys as well, it gave me acute pain and i had to sit down to breath correctly. I'll return later.

 

[RockyP]

I take Primo 400mg/wk or higher 20 weeks and Anavar 40-75 mg last 6 weeks many times LDL has never gone over 145 and HDL never below 25 and ALT/AST high normal taking bloods mid and the last week. Fine to say do you bloods beginning mid and last to make sure your not a shitty responder but don’t fear monger…what your talking about is very rare.

lol this is exactly what I’m talking about. The blind leading the blind. those lipids values are not good at all. And sitting there for half the year is just laying down plaque in your arteries. Your LdL is 40% higher than normal and HDL is 40% lower than low normal. This is quite bad, and worse because it’s going on for months at a time. Just because they return to normal in 6 weeks after you stop doesn’t mean anything. Your risk for heart disease depends on total exposure to fucked up lipids like this. At the very least run a statin if you’re going to do that. You can get your LDL under 60 And still have your fun with the compounds.

 

[explodingHeart]

Im gonna cooy/paste my experience with bloodwork before/after from "steroid spotlight" thread

just finished 8 week run at 50mg daily during cut with test and mast.
Test was at 300mg weekly and mast went from 300 to almost 600. i ran var at 50mg few weeks before, 5-6 i think but for maybe 20-30 days or so so these previous results are not on "clean" liver from it either.

bloodwork looks fine. supplemented with NAC 1000mg daily, rosuvastatin 5mg eod bur i was off for last few weeks cause i ran out. ofc used fish oil and other normal supplements. clean diet, 0 alcohol for years or rec. drugs.

AST: 0,29 -> 0,38
ALT: 0,16 -> 0,36
GGT: 0,13 -> 0,17
LDL: 72,31 -> 46,4
HDL: 25 -> 27,84

well, cystatinin c increased from 0,88 to 1,02. it was tested 5 days after i stopped var

range is 0,57 - 1,22 mg/l.
previous test was done mid june and it was after short-ish var run also.
egfr from cystatinin on lab results is 1,16 ml/s/1,73m2, last reading was 1,45.

im about month off var or so, im waiting for cystatinin c results, i got it checked again.

I know medical journals say cycstatin c is unaffected by hard training / roids, etc.

but being on blast and training hard shoots mine up by .2

 

[explodingHeart]

I take Primo 400mg/wk or higher 20 weeks and Anavar 40-75 mg last 6 weeks many times LDL has never gone over 145 and HDL never below 25 and ALT/AST high normal taking bloods mid and the last week. Fine to say do you bloods beginning mid and last to make sure your not a shitty responder but don’t fear monger…what your talking about is very rare.

Using old stock of primo or you still buy it somehow?

 

[BabaJagga]

I know medical journals say cycstatin c is unaffected by hard training / roids, etc.

but being on blast and training hard shoots mine up by .2

it could be raised due metabolizes passing via kidneys. again, will see if/how its improved, or not. its been month or so off var and on test & hgh only. hopefully it will get better cause i wanna use it next year during summer again.

 

[explodingHeart]

it could be raised due metabolizes passing via kidneys. again, will see if/how its improved, or not. its been month or so off var and on test & hgh only. hopefully it will get better cause i wanna use it next year during summer again.

I think HGH stresses kidney far more than var or test. I went from like .6 to .85 when I started using that shit.

blah blah intraglomerular kidney pressure, etc.

I'd dump GH a few weeks before testing imo.