Powerlifting with a Legend

Well thats the genius that is millard Baker. He could easily say this isnt a source board and ban all public sourcing. Easy enough. Its HIS board. I do believe that was his intention behind starting MESO. But he doesnt because he promotes free will so long i guess as a death threat, unsolicited pm sourcing or talk of raping kids doesnt go down. Which are pretty damn good rules...i do think MESO is the ONLY true source for unfiltered reviews and that is its best quality and may even be better that way. But there is a ton of reasons why MESO has morphed in to what it is today. I learned from the ppl before me and the ppl before them and so on. And ppl will learn from me and you and MESO will be shaped and passed down like that in the future. Im not naming members but anyone who has spent time here knows who helped influence this place and if u been here a while u could easily see a passing of the guard here and things have changed. I hear talk of the old timers, you know the ones who are extinct or mostly inactive about how this place changed for the worse and i call BS on that! Its never been better and heres why...
MESO is slowly becoming board where "vets" arent protected and allowed to do as they please. MESO is more moral now than it was say 3 or 4 yrs ago.
MESO encourages free thought now more than ever. There is no hierarchy of member status who control the good ol boys of MESO. Anymore...

I dont always like what goes down here and i dont always help the situation but in whole i am trying to leave this place a better place than when i found it. In my own small way.

I very much agree with your post and my intention was not to encourage banning, censorship, protecting vets, etc. I wanted to point out that some rules are almost actively encouraged to be broken so why hammer home on this one specific one that at the end of the day, hurts members as much as it helps? NorthernNutrition has so much good info and can help many ppl with diet, training and AAS questions WITHOUT promoting his source. Franchise can share the PL info from Goggins WITHOUT promoting the source. It's not our fault ppl cannot make the distinction between the passing of info and promotion of a source nor is it our problem to ensure they do. We provide the info that so and so is a rep and leave I at that. By aggressively enforcing this rule about reps not posting, all you're doing is taking away good info from members in certain cases and forcing your point of view on the members reading. If someone reads a log of yours Trukk and the only thing they can pick up from the log is that you must have the golden unicorn source then that is on them. If someone reads this log and all they "learn" is that IA is the best source then they get what's coming to them.

Serious hypothetical question:

If Dan Green, Eddie Hall, or Ronnie Coleman decided to join this forum and were reps for labs, would we really tell them to shut the fuck up in training and nutrition threads if they never post about the source they work for outside the underground? Would you really want to stop members from learning from their success?
 
If Dan Green, Eddie Hall, or Ronnie Coleman decided to join this forum and were reps for labs, would we really tell them to shut the fuck up in training and nutrition threads if they never post about the source they work for outside the underground? Would you really want to stop members from learning from their success?
It would be the most concentrated effort of annihilation of character ever seen on the internet if that ever happened here. I think you underestimate me my man or assume because they who they are i wont say shit. Oh my friend you know me not :)
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Quite the contrary. This has nothing to do with protecting one of our own...at least for me it doesn't.

To be 100% honest, I never agreed or liked the idea that a rep can only post in their source's thread. I think it's a bad rule and one I've never been behind, never "enforced", and never encourage. This doesn't mean I want reps to spam threads promoting their source, on the contrary, I just don't see a strong enough justification to prevent them from posting completely. If a rep spams and promotes their source in threads then fuck them and run them out; but if they can provide good information on threads and avoid promoting the source they work for then what's the big deal?

The idea behind this "rule" is to protect members from being preyed upon by sources and reps correct? To HELP members, is it not? How much are you really helping members when you prevent potentially good information from being posted based solely on the fact that someone is a rep? You're basically cutting off your nose to spite your face.

This "rule" has prevented NorthernNutrition from posting and he is one of the most intelligent people on here, rep or no rep. I'd give what's left of my shriveled up left testicle to have him posting again, especially in the nutrition and training sections. So now, one of the most quality posters on this forum is prevented from helping others bc he is a rep and people can't think for themselves. Northern nutrition is not a powerlifter either but I would wholeheartedly welcome his posts again irrespective of the fact that he is a rep.

Our job here, at least in my opinion, is to help people educate themselves on steroids, how to use them as safe as possible, how to make progress towards their goals, teach them how to educate themselves, and promote the passing of knowledge from one person to the next or one generation of steroid users to the next. My job is not to baby people. My job is not to hold someone's hands the entire time they use steroids. My job isn't to be like an overbearing parent that never takes the training wheels off their kid's bike. I'll do what I can and then expect that person to take it from there. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink comes to mind. We can tell people that people are reps, we can educate them that reps don't always have their best interests at heart, we can warn them to take reps' recommendations with a grain of salt but we cannot, nor should not, expect to be ultimately responsible for if/when members don't listen to what we teach.

I also provided several examples of other reps posting outside of their source's threads. Where is the outrage for them? Where is the shit talking towards them? Where is the bullying back to their threads for them? Maybe people are tired of hammering Julius idk. Maybe Franchise is the fresh meat so other people's transgressions can be left ignored.

And finally, I thought this forum was not supposed to be a source board? Sources are encouraged to post on here to help solve issues with their gear and help provide harm reduction correct? Why is it that we have to enforce the rule about reps but not sources? As far as I'm concerned, a source posting their list, T/A times, accepted payment methods, etc etc has nothing to do with harm reduction or solving issues with their gear. Yet sources are encouraged to post their lists all the time. They're encouraged to keep their lists updated for crying out loud. Regular members dick ride sources left and right, promote sources every day, bump source threads so they remain up top of the queue, etc etc. regular members do a fantastic job of telling for sources, better than the reps even, and the only difference is they do it for free (I'm not suggesting everyone become a rep now, I never would). We encourage sources to give freebies and sales. We play along with source contests like guessing the final scores of football games for credit to buy gear. Am I the only one who sees hypocrisy here? I'm not saying I know the answer to fix it just pointing out what's in front of me.

There's so much more I can say but this post is long enough already and I do not want you to think I'm attackimg you or your views Wunder. You're my boy and I am venting to you not at you.
Well said Doc!
 
It would be the most concentrated effort of annihilation of character ever seen on the internet if that ever happened here. I think you underestimate me my man or assume because they who they are i wont say shit. Oh my friend you know me not :)
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Hahahaha. Im not saying you won't say shit in regards to them repping. What I'm saying is would you ignore all their info and help in other areas bc of it?
 
If Dan Green, Eddie Hall, or Ronnie Coleman decided to join this forum and were reps for labs, would we really tell them to shut the fuck up in training and nutrition threads if they never post about the source they work for outside the underground? Would you really want to stop members from learning from their success?

Oh doc... You're making it oh so difficult for me to abandon this sad thread.

If Franchise becomes world's strongest man, Mr Olympia even 1x or a world renowned powerlifter, we can circle back to this question. Until then, this just doesn't apply.

I'm on a completely different planet from you on this subject... I don't have the energy to debate on everything. Agree to very much disagree.
 
Oh doc... You're making it oh so difficult for me to abandon this sad thread.

If Franchise becomes world's strongest man, Mr Olympia even 1x or a world renowned powerlifter, we can circle back to this question. Until then, this just doesn't apply.

I'm on a completely different planet from you on this subject... I don't have the energy to debate on everything. Agree to very much disagree.

That's bc I'm secretly hoping you'll model the new Victoria Secret line of PL singlets for me <3
 

I was going to try and explain this but better to come straight from the horses mouth, to why the use of straps and how he teaches hook grip to a lifter wanting to use hook grip.

My first few training sessions everyone was using straps on deadlift day. I didn't understand it. Now I understand the method behind the teaching and thinking.
 
09/30/2017

Comp Squat:
Bar 1x5
155 1x5
231 1x5
275 1X3
314 8X5

Leg Press/Leg Extension Superset:
4 45's 3x12/115 3x12

Reverse Hypers:
50 3x12

Steve Has the Leg Press machine rigged with a blue band. Not sure how much tension is on on it. But now it's almost become an after thought that it is there. I will take pic of the machine and how the band is rigged on it.

He also has this contraption to improve grip strength that I found laying around the gym. I will take a pic of this as well.

Hips opening up nicely and form and technique starting to come together. Excited about this. This has been on my mind every day. Just working on body weight squats and sitting in a squat pushing my knees out. So it all looks like it's coming together. Still have work to do.

I missed one training session this week. Had a cold. I was glad to have be feeling better today. And that it was a light day. Two days off then bench on Tuesday.
 
How much did the gym membership cost you?
The gym offers a few types of memberships from one on one with Steve, open gym and even coaching teams outside of ours.

Joining team Goggins Force is $53.50 a month. Initial fee is 3 months in advance. You can get open gym membership and come in on the days the team trains and he will still offer is advice and how to perform the big 3 the right way. Very helpful even if you are not on the team. If you want a structure program or one on one coaching the fee goes up significantly.
 
The gym offers a few types of memberships from one on one with Steve, open gym and even coaching teams outside of ours.

Joining team Goggins Force is $53.50 a month. Initial fee is 3 months in advance. You can get open gym membership and come in on the days the team trains and he will still offer is advice and how to perform the big 3 the right way. Very helpful even if you are not on the team. If you want a structure program or one on one coaching the fee goes up significantly.
That's short $$

I have a full throttle strongman/pl gym close to me and they want 100$ a month to get in the door. If I was a true competitor I'd pay that for a true facility
 
That's short $$

I have a full throttle strongman/pl gym close to me and they want 100$ a month to get in the door. If I was a true competitor I'd pay that for a true facility
He makes his big money with the people he trains online. From all over the country. And programming. The team travels often as well. In March we go to Tampa, then San Jose in June and sometime next year the guys are talking about nationals in Las Vegas.

Have a few training to compete in IPF and USAPL. Not expensive at all. But there are always people dropping buy and teams wanting him to coach them. This is where the price starts going up.
 
09/30/2017

Comp Squat:
Bar 1x5
155 1x5
231 1x5
275 1X3
314 8X5

Leg Press/Leg Extension Superset:
4 45's 3x12/115 3x12

Reverse Hypers:
50 3x12

Steve Has the Leg Press machine rigged with a blue band. Not sure how much tension is on on it. But now it's almost become an after thought that it is there. I will take pic of the machine and how the band is rigged on it.

He also has this contraption to improve grip strength that I found laying around the gym. I will take a pic of this as well.

Hips opening up nicely and form and technique starting to come together. Excited about this. This has been on my mind every day. Just working on body weight squats and sitting in a squat pushing my knees out. So it all looks like it's coming together. Still have work to do.

I missed one training session this week. Had a cold. I was glad to have be feeling better today. And that it was a light day. Two days off then bench on Tuesday.

I forgot to mention all my squats are going to be done beltless and no sleeves for about 8 weeks.

Unless he has me going over 475.
 
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