PPL finished product underdosed.

[TrennedOutLunatic]

we def should meet one day in Europe ahah... I’m imagining you as Mutant (Lokie9379992 on Instagram) that arm wrestler strange Russian guy..

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I am just big with no definition. My physique sucks atm but I am 100% on it and making progress daily,towards my target.
Doing good amico
Soon or not so soon I will have some material to post, downsized though,which is exactly what I want.

 

[Xenophon178]

On 250mg a week home brewed PPL test C raws my test was 1150 ng/dl .. quite happy with that number

I shouldn’t be sitting on 1400 with 450, then. I see folks talk about genetics but, we’re talking about serum concentrations. X amount of compound divided by X Amount of blood, given time to break down and peak concentration etc etc...

of course there are variables given metabolism, body habits, etc. But, variance of several hundreds or a thousand? At that dose? No...

 

[Bumpygooch]

I shouldn’t be sitting on 1400 with 450, then. I see folks talk about genetics but, we’re talking about serum concentrations. X amount of compound divided by X Amount of blood, given time to break down and peak concentration etc etc...

of course there are variables given metabolism, body habits, etc. But, variance of several hundreds or a thousand? At that dose? No...

Just to play devil’s advocate, I was running 750mg(with 550 NPP) of pharmaqo sustanon, pulled a 1700 total. Conversely, on 140mg of prop from a now, honest to goodness shit source(with 140 NPP) and pulled a 1600 total. So, one source considered actually legit and had a terrible number vs disreputable UGL prop and like 1/5 the dosage and a similar number. So, who the fuck knows. Send the vial in to jano, only recourse.

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

It seems that individual response plays an important role in this case as well

 

[Whopperflopper]

I shouldn’t be sitting on 1400 with 450, then. I see folks talk about genetics but, we’re talking about serum concentrations. X amount of compound divided by X Amount of blood, given time to break down and peak concentration etc etc...

of course there are variables given metabolism, body habits, etc. But, variance of several hundreds or a thousand? At that dose? No...

450 would put most around 3k plus. If your buying good raws, panda is in the loop. If your buying finished, well idk. Best advice I could give, get some test, some primo, brew it, send to Jane, dose accordingly. Shouldn't have to do it again for a long time.
Everyone is getting their raws from panda. Finished? Someone might get greedy, who knows.

 

[Xenophon178]

Just to play devil’s advocate, I was running 750mg(with 550 NPP) of pharmaqo sustanon, pulled a 1700 total. Conversely, on 140mg of prop from a now, honest to goodness shit source(with 140 NPP) and pulled a 1600 total. So, one source considered actually legit and had a terrible number vs disreputable UGL prop and like 1/5 the dosage and a similar number. So, who the fuck knows. Send the vial in to jano, only recourse.

I’ve read about nandrolone decreasing test levels. Can anyone weigh in? Is this all 19nors?

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

I’ve read about nandrolone decreasing test levels. Can anyone weigh in? Is this all 19nors?

No clue

 

[koast123]

No disrespect intended but, I haven’t seen any physicians who subscribe to a simple formula like that. If I’m wrong I will stand down.

No science, just anecdotal from someone who is a drug expert and have coached thousands of athletes (including open olympians) and seen more blood test than a physician.

PS: im finishing my medicine grade so i know how much physicians work everyday

 

[PandaRep]

I shouldn’t be sitting on 1400 with 450, then. I see folks talk about genetics but, we’re talking about serum concentrations. X amount of compound divided by X Amount of blood, given time to break down and peak concentration etc etc...

of course there are variables given metabolism, body habits, etc. But, variance of several hundreds or a thousand? At that dose? No...

Actually 1400-1600 is about right for 450mg
You'll have variances due to timing of testing and how your body functions.
I get 1000-1080 on 250mg of pharma.
And, if I'm reading it correctly you drew labs 3 days post injection?
So you have any other blood work following the same dosages and testing ?

 

[koast123]

Actually 1400-1600 is about right for 450mg
You'll have variances due to timing of testing and how your body functions.
I get 1000-1080 on 250mg of pharma.

As i said, it seems pretty low but its perfectly possible. Just a x3 multiplier. Unlucky.

PS: 1400 are a perfect nmber by the way, you just want the testosterone to have high normal range or a little bit supraphisiological and a good e2 value, then get the rest of your miligrams with other substances

 

[Aftermath9716]

we def should meet one day in Europe ahah... I’m imagining you as Mutant (Lokie9379992 on Instagram) that arm wrestler strange Russian guy..

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij-brAfROkM


He ain't got shit on schoolboy.

 

[Xenophon178]

Actually 1400-1600 is about right for 450mg
You'll have variances due to timing of testing and how your body functions.
I get 1000-1080 on 250mg of pharma.
And, if I'm reading it correctly you drew labs 3 days post injection?
So you have any other blood work following the same dosages and testing ?

I have two sets of blood work. Both at the same interval. Cypionate should peak approx 72 hours post injection. Result was within a few ng/dL. To answer your question, yes, almost perfectly 72 hours after injection.

 

[jJjburton]

I have two sets of blood work. Both at the same interval. Cypionate should peak approx 72 hours post injection. Result was within a few ng/dL. To answer your question, yes, almost perfectly 72 hours after injection.

It also depends how many times you pin a week.

how many times you pin that amount?

so if you pin 500 mg in one pin you shoukd be 3000-5000 48-72 hours post

if you pin 250 2x a week you should be 1500- 2500 48-72 hours

if you pin 150 3x a week you should be 1000-1500 48-72 hours. It depending on how many times a week you pin also not the combine amount you pin each week.

usually 5x-8x whatever the amount you pin was.

just like 1 iu of gh usually up igf 100 points. Its just an esti

 

[PandaRep]

I have two sets of blood work. Both at the same interval. Cypionate should peak approx 72 hours post injection. Result was within a few ng/dL. To answer your question, yes, almost perfectly 72 hours after injection.

Right. I mean previous blood work from other gear, same dosage different results?
I agree, that number seems low, but I show low results. My trt doc hints that I'm not taking a full dose and storing the test, according to him in should be 200-250 points higher. I don't try to masquerade as some expert. Just personal experience.

Also we one person that brews for us. Same one for literally ever over there. And it isn't uncommon to brew 20L of a given compound. Especially something common like test Cyp. There'd be a SHIT ton of underdosed gear if that was the case. And we shoot for the typical 5-10%+ depending on what it is. Along with a slight over fill if the vials.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you, just stating what I know. And while that number is kinda low, it's in the 3-4X range. Do you have other 450mg labs?

 

[Xenophon178]

Right. I mean previous blood work from other gear, same dosage different results?
I agree, that number seems low, but I show low results. My trt doc hints that I'm not taking a full dose and storing the test, according to him in should be 200-250 points higher. I don't try to masquerade as some expert. Just personal experience.

Also we one person that brews for us. Same one for literally ever over there. And it isn't uncommon to brew 20L of a given compound. Especially something common like test Cyp. There'd be a SHIT ton of underdosed gear if that was the case. And we shoot for the typical 5-10%+ depending on what it is. Along with a slight over fill if the vials.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you, just stating what I know. And while that number is kinda low, it's in the 3-4X range. Do you have other 450mg labs?

From other gear, no, I do not. I really don’t get where the 3-5x rule has ever been verified. One renegade coach proposes it and that’s all I’ve ever seen.

Let’s do this, I’ll run bloods on just plain TRT in 30 days or so. Then I’ll add test from my next order to it. I’ll simply double the dose. That should, in theory, run within a few points of double the initial labs, correct?

 

[PandaRep]

From other gear, no, I do not. I really don’t get where the 3-5x rule has ever been verified. One renegade coach proposes it and that’s all I’ve ever seen.

Let’s do this, I’ll run bloods on just plain TRT in 30 days or so. Then I’ll add test from my next order to it. I’ll simply double the dose. That should, in theory, run within a few points of double the initial labs, correct?

3-5x, what were you expecting? 4000? Also consider what @jJjburton was saying about dosage and amount. There's some variables. You need to compare apples to apples, not 200mg hit once a week, then testing on week 4 at 72hrs. You'd need to duplicate the same protocols.

 

[koast123]

It also depends how many times you pin a week.

how many times you pin that amount?

so if you pin 500 mg in one pin you shoukd be 3000-5000 48-72 hours post

if you pin 250 2x a week you should be 1500- 2500 48-72 hours

if you pin 150 3x a week you should be 1000-1500 48-72 hours. It depending on how many times a week you pin also not the combine amount you pin each week.

usually 5x-8x whatever the amount you pin was.

just like 1 iu of gh usually up igf 100 points. Its just an esti

X8 is a little bit outlier but as we all said, it really depends on a lot of things.

Ive seen people getting almost 900-1000 with just 100mg Cyp a week. (Using boron and this kind of trt supplements, maybe some proviron...)

I wish i was one of those injecting 250mg amps and getting like +2000... What a good life!

 

[Xenophon178]

3-5x, what were you expecting? 4000? Also consider what @jJjburton was saying about dosage and amount. There's some variables. You need to compare apples to apples, not 200mg hit once a week, then testing on week 4 at 72hrs. You'd need to duplicate the same protocols.

Easy killer. I was talking about pinning and testing at the exact same times but, letting all test apart from TRT clear my system. I never said anything about deviating from the schedule. I was just gonna take the ppl test out of the equation. Total metabolism time for cyp is 40 days-maximum. That’s actually backed up by medical literature, unlike your 3-5x claim. A month gives you a slight advantage, vis a vis blood tests.

Also, you DO understand that PEAK levels are gained approx 72 hours after cyp injection, right?

Don’t get lippy bro. I haven’t done that to you.

Honestly, considering 200mg can keep me at approx 800, I expected closer to 2k for 450mg. The math on that jives. At the minimum, the test is underdosed.

I’ve noticed you haven’t offered any testing yet...

 

[Xenophon178]

It also depends how many times you pin a week.

how many times you pin that amount?

so if you pin 500 mg in one pin you shoukd be 3000-5000 48-72 hours post

if you pin 250 2x a week you should be 1500- 2500 48-72 hours

if you pin 150 3x a week you should be 1000-1500 48-72 hours. It depending on how many times a week you pin also not the combine amount you pin each week.

usually 5x-8x whatever the amount you pin was.

just like 1 iu of gh usually up igf 100 points. Its just an esti

I understand your point. I outlined the pinning schedule in the OP.

 

[jJjburton]

I understand your point. I outlined the pinning schedule in the OP.

So your hitting 1500 2x- week not just one time each time you pin the 250.

do you have any other bloodworks on another test? Like in the past?

some people take 200 mg for trt which a bit less then you.

i would be hoping for a little higher but its not terrible, sending out for testing would be ideal, like was didcussed,

i think i got 1200 on 200 mg of pharmacom a whole ago.

one injection of 500 mg i got 3000