Pre cycle bloods please critique

[midland412]

Bummed about my TT. Was hoping to start my cycle in a few weeks. Could someone please give me some advice on what the next step would be? Should I do a power pct and retest? If so, would you include an hcg blast or just clomid/nolva? Unfortunately, this is my first time doing bloodwork. @Dr JIM

**side note: I've been sleeping like shit lately, not eating regularly. Been pretty busy and stressed out.

I'm 6'4, 230. Last cycle ended December.
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[Mr.B66]

Was all your pct pharm grade? Im going to assume they are and i think you have a cpl options.
First how old are you if your in your 40s theres a chance you may not recover in which case trt or blast and cruise may be your choice.
But if your a young guy than you can either wait it out; when i was in my 20s i never rain a pct and i always recovered, it just took a while , 4 months to a year most times.
The fact that your lh and fsh aren't completely shut down makes me think recovery is a real possibility, but I'm not a MD so take it for what its worth.
Also you could go ahead and try Doc Scally's power pct, i don't recall the protocol but you can find it using the search engine.
Good luck brother !! Hope it all works out.

 

[Ngtmarpete]

Wow, total test is low!

1. You did not fully recover from your previous cycle, in which I would make sure that your next PCT is solid before you start your next cycle. ( you do not want to be close to the end of your cycle and you're having trouble find any pieces )

2. You have an underlining problem in which talking to your Dr should be your next step. There are various reason for low T, none of which should be taken lightly.

 

[midland412]

I ran a very long cycle. 20+ weeks. My pct was pharm grade, but I made poor decisions and missed some days of taking my pct meds. I also didn't keep track of how many weeks I ran my pct and I think both of those inconsistencies led me to my current situation. Stupid I know.

I have put my own version of Dr. Scally's pct into effect.
Plan is to run:

clomid 50/50/50/50,
nolva 40/40/40/40, may extend to 45 days.
along with hcg @1000 iu EOD for a total of 10 shots, starting at day 1 of clomid/nolva.
There are some that would argue this, but I've talked to some vets and also Scally's pct program includes the hcg usage to help amp up test production by further stimulating the natural levels.

I am on my 10th day and will get retested once complete and post my results.

 

[Ngtmarpete]

Keep us posted on your results.

 

[dnoyez]

I ran a very long cycle. 20+ weeks. My pct was pharm grade, but I made poor decisions and missed some days of taking my pct meds. I also didn't keep track of how many weeks I ran my pct and I think both of those inconsistencies led me to my current situation. Stupid I know.

I have put my own version of Dr. Scally's pct into effect.
Plan is to run:

clomid 50/50/50/50,
nolva 40/40/40/40, may extend to 45 days.
along with hcg @1000 iu EOD for a total of 10 shots, starting at day 1 of clomid/nolva.
There are some that would argue this, but I've talked to some vets and also Scally's pct program includes the hcg usage to help amp up test production by further stimulating the natural levels.

I am on my 10th day and will get retested once complete and post my results.

You are gone to want to get tested after as you stated and then get tested again to see if the new levels actually were able to stabilize and hold.

 

[midland412]

After I stop the clomid/nolva, I was going to wait 3 weeks and then get tested. So, do you suggest I wait another 3 weeks after that and get tested again? Something along those lines?

 

[dnoyez]

Wait a month after pct... then again a month or two after that 1st bloodwork.

 

[midland412]

Recap:

I did a 20 wk cycle. After PCT, I waited 4-5 weeks and got bloodwork, which is at top of page.

My test was 235; LH 2.5; FSH 3.5

So I decided my PCT may have been bunk/underdosed, so I decided to do a second PCT. this time with a similar approach to Dr.Scally's PCT protocol. I ran pharma nolva @20mg for about 35 days and clomid @50 for 30, along with 5 shots of 1000iu HCG twice a week for the first 3wks.

Waited another 5 weeks and got bloods.
Been off gear since Jan.

TT 219; LH 5.6; FSH 4.3

Any feedback would be appreciated. Not sure what's going on.

 

[grey]

2. You have an underlining problem in which talking to your Dr should be your next step. There are various reason for low T, none of which should be taken lightly.

At this point seems like a doctor visit is in order....

 

[midland412]

Fuck.. I really wanted to start my cycle. I've been waiting for so long
However, I don't think I'm ready to commit to TRT or blasting and cruising. My LH and FSH aren't shut down so maybe recovery is possible.

Should I tell the doc anything about AAS usage? Can anyone whose been in this situation shed some light?

 

[Flounder]

Should I tell the doc anything about AAS usage?

I blast and cruise at the age of 43 so I do not see a Dr for any trt related issues. I suggest you think this over carefully. If you feel trt may be in your future then it would be best for you to keep your aas use your own little secret. Also remember your comment to the Dr will be documented forever.

 

[midland412]

If I cycle at this point, I am just increasing my chances of never being able to fully recover correct?

 

[Flounder]

If I cycle at this point, I am just increasing my chances of never being able to fully recover correct?

That would be correct. Since you have been working on this recovery off and on for 7 months now, there is a good chance you should either never cycle again or consider trt or blast and cruise.

 

[midland412]

Anyone know what it means if my LH and FSH are normal and my TT is low?

 

[greenddog1]

A lot of info is missing here. What's your cycle history? Any baseline blood work prior to using gear? Age, stats, bf and what type of cycles have been run? Were these fasted tests? Are you taking any medications or is any excessive alcohol intact involved? What are your lipid levels?
From reading your post and the results of the tests these are questions that I would be self evaluating. IMO, you are recovering and may well have recovered as far as you can. Just don't have all the info. Keep an eye on your liver values as they are elavated in both tests without aas.
TRT may be the option, if your TT remains in its current range, however I would suggest not starting a new cycle until you've answered your questions. See a doc. You have been off aas long enough and at least get their opinion. In your case I don't see the need to inform of aas use. Good luck.

 

[midland412]

I'm 6'4 230, 30 yrs old

I've cycled a few times. Mostly test, deca, oral.

I've fucked up in the past with pct. (may have had bunk product once and another cycle I don't even think I did a pct. I was younger and didn't know. Unfortunately, I never had a baseline to go by.

I appreciate the advice bro. I'm setting up an appt. kind of a scary situation for me.

Come to think of it, I did not fast prior to getting my tests done. Forgot that I had to. Prob ate snacks late that night 1:00 am and took the test around 11:00 am.

Do you know in what way this could skew the results?

I've been drinking lately, which leads me to believe that's the reason for the liver values.

 

[greenddog1]

Fasting should not have much of an impact on the liver panel other than slightly improve results. The lipid panel would reflect the biggest impact. Drinking will definetly have an impact your liver values. Your bilirubin levels are ok, but you might want to watch these.

 

[midland412]

Do you have any idea why my FSH and LH increased but my TT stayed around the same?

 

[greenddog1]

Do you have any idea why my FSH and LH increased but my TT stayed around the same?

Our T levels decline as we age, but you are young and should have higher levels. Since you were on for such a long time, it may just take more time for your system to start producing T within normal levels. It appears you're recovering with the increase in FSH and LH. Too many varibles and I'm not equipped to give you anything more than a guess.

Or this may be normal for you, since you don't have a baseline. Two options, wait another 3 months or so and retest. In some situations it may take up to a year to fully recover. The other is see a doc and at least get their input. Don't just get impatient and crank up another cycle, unless you fully understand the possibles of lifetime TRT.