Pre cycle bloods please critique

[midland412]

 

[midland412]

Showing some improvement. Was at around TT 219-230 nine months ago. Haven't touched gear or pct Meds in 9 months. Now I'm at TT 356. Could anyone opine on my next steps?

Am I ready to cycle again or would you give it some more time to see if I can recover even further? Lastly, say I'm not fully recovered and I cycle. Is it possible with the right pct and time off that I could get back to this 356 or even higher?

 

[dnoyez]

Glad you actually followed up.Im not qualified to give you the next step advice but someone will shortly.I would hold up on jumping on any cycle as your issues first need to be identified and the right steps need to be made.

 

[midland412]

I don't have a baseline. I'll give it a few more months and recover as much as possible. I'd love to get back to what I think is normal. I felt like shit the past 6 months. Nothing worse than walking around with low T

 

[Flounder]

Showing some improvement. Was at around TT 219-230 nine months ago. Haven't touched gear or pct Meds in 9 months. Now I'm at TT 356. Could anyone opine on my next steps?

Am I ready to cycle again or would you give it some more time to see if I can recover even further? Lastly, say I'm not fully recovered and I cycle. Is it possible with the right pct and time off that I could get back to this 356 or even higher?

Glad to hear you are still working on getting those #'s up. How's your lifting and strength going? I would ask the Dr questions.@Dr JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

I blast and cruise at the age of 43 so I do not see a Dr for any trt related issues. I suggest you think this over carefully. If you feel trt may be in your future then it would be best for you to keep your aas use your own little secret. Also remember your comment to the Dr will be documented forever.

Who cares what is "documented"!

(You fellas think docs are stupid, crap one look at many of you it's OBVIOUS some PED, if not multiple, was used to maintain the LBM that sits before our eyes)

Charts with this form of history read something like this; 43 yo male used AAS has symptoms of low TT. Underlying cause ???

Will try recovery with SERM, but with last LH at 6.3mIU/ml and TT of 356ng/dl at 43 years further improvements not likely, esp if value is baseline?

The point and the reason you SHOULD mention AAS use is the FACT, AAS provides a cause for the problem. AIH also carries a better prognosis than those with idiopathic primary hypogonadism, IMO.

That is an important distinction bc a TT level greater than 350ng/dl is NOT consistent with low TT per say, esp in 40 year old males.

The problem is many fellas who cycle for such a prolonged intervals, and twenty weeks certainly qualifies, become accustomed to how they FEEL running AAS at such high levels and once those level normalizes they often "feel like shit"!

Again these are reasons baseline labs are critical and why cycles are best limited to no more than 12 weeks.

It's prophetic how many people become dissatisfied with "there decisions" once they have to tolerate the consequences!

(I will also add it's not unusual, in fact in most instances it's the norm, for recovery to match the cycles duration. You run a 20 week cycle, EXPECT recovery to require at LEAST 20 weeks of AAS abstinence)

Rant concluded,
Good luck

 

[Flounder]

@Dr JIM I deferred to you a long time ago on this issue. I was just suggesting you look at Midland's latest results and advise because it's out of my league.

 

[Dr JIM]

I've no comment until the lab Millard is using posts graphic data on the samples they have tested alread.

Other than to say its absence is anything but "full disclosure"!

 

[Dr JIM]

I suspect it's best to clarify my earlier posts on what I believe BB should be willing to divulge to their physicians about PED use.

First understand admitting you used AAS is NOT illegal or incriminatory.

It's the AQUISITION of AAS wo an RX that is illegal and as such should NOT be discussed with your HCP!

If a HCP asks such a question, and with rare exceptions I can't think of a reason why that might be necessary, simply state hey doc I can't go there as a matter of fact yet non confrontational manner.

 

[midland412]

 

[midland412]

Any feedback or help would be appreciated.
Wondering if my TT will increase and if cycling could still be possible in the future.
I do not have baseline bloods

I'm currently 6'4 225, 30yrs
Last pin was December 2014

Few cycles under my belt. Ran last one much longer 20+ week. Poor choice IMO
This is where I'm at..

April 2015:
TT: 235, LH 2.5, FSH 3.3

July 2015:
TT 219; LH 5.6; FSH 4.3

Sept 2015:
TT 356, LH 6.2; FSH 5.1

Nov 2015:
TT 332, LH 6.5, FSH 6.0

 

[Dr JIM]

Bc your LH level is comparatively HIGH continue cycling and your "baseline" TT will remain at the low end range and future TRT will also likely be unavoidable.

Your choices
Cycle now expecting the need for long term TRT

OR

Allow complete HTPA restoration by ceasing AAS use entirely (or at least another year), hoping for a return TT level in the 400ng/dl range.