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I have no idea if primal products are good are not but I can tell u 90% of the guys posting on this thread talikong about this and that has no clue what they are saying and I guarantee they don’t even look like they ever lifted a weight in their entire life - this I guarantee
Would love to see those big lifting muscles you got just saying
 
I have no idea if primal products are good are not but I can tell u 90% of the guys posting on this thread talikong about this and that has no clue what they are saying and I guarantee they don’t even look like they ever lifted a weight in their entire life - this I guarantee
Bold claim.

My money is on you being dead wrong.
 
I have no idea if primal products are good are not but I can tell u 90% of the guys posting on this thread talikong about this and that has no clue what they are saying and I guarantee they don’t even look like they ever lifted a weight in their entire life - this I guarantee
Way to go dumb fuck. Try sounding somewhat competent before saying silly shit.
 
I have no idea if primal products are good are not but I can tell u 90% of the guys posting on this thread talikong about this and that has no clue what they are saying and I guarantee they don’t even look like they ever lifted a weight in their entire life - this I guarantee
Even if that were true, what the fuck would someone’s looks have to do with the conversation?
 
Even if that were true, what the fuck would someone’s looks have to do with the conversation?
It kinda makes since if your autistic and think having abs makes you an expert. My favorite go to is i lift more then you so I pretty much know everything about training.
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Are you sure those oils didn't have EO in them? I've heard of chinese oils even like test cyp/e 200/250 being made with a lot of EO. From my understanding, hsCRP jumps up from anything inflammatory, so literally doing anything like having a cold or fucking up an injection and having some oil leak subq could spike it. Or just consistently pinning high-conc gear in general. So i think using hsCRP can be a good way to judge how you react to certain sources/oils over time, but isn't a good way to tell if something has EO in it or not. I think the only way you can do that is by getting a GCMS test.

Just to clarify:

Pain from BB, BA, EO* or other solvents is chemical irritation, and doesn’t induce systemic inflammation. Just local “tissue injury response” inflammation which won’t raise CRP.

Pain from high concentration, aka crystalline “fallout” is mechanical irritation, which also doesn’t raise systemic inflammation.

True systemic inflammation requires an immune response, from an allergic reaction, bacteria or endotoxin, or the byproducts of oxidation, like peroxides in oxidized (rancid) carrier oils.

*Some people ARE allergic to EO (much more rarely BA, or BB too), which will cause systemic inflammation, and why EO fell out of favor by pharma companies and has not been introduced in new injectable formulas for decades. Though, if you’re not allergic, and not an infant, EO appears relatively safe, no worse than having a drink of alcohol, and remains FDA approved but as I said, it’s effectively “banned” because Miglyol 812 is considered a far safer alternative. Estimated EO allergy rate is 1-5%. For Miglyol 812 it’s closer to 1 in 100,000.
 
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Just to clarify:

Pain from BB, BA, EO or other solvents is chemical irritation, and doesn’t induce inflammation.

Pain from high concentration, aka crystalline “fallout” is mechanical irritation, which also doesn’t raise inflammation.

True inflammation requires an immune response, from an allergic reaction, bacteria or endotoxin, or the byproducts of oxidation, like peroxides in oxidized (rancid) carrier oils.
Is it safe to say that pain from solvents would be felt fairly quickly and pain from crystal fallout would be delayed of a day or two?
 
Is it safe to say that pain from solvents would be felt fairly quickly and pain from crystal fallout would be delayed of a day or two?

The answer is "it depends".

If you inject 100% benzoyl alcohol, you'd get necrosis and instant pain.
If you're gear crashes immediately when injected, then you'd get pain from crystal fallout immediately.
 
Is it safe to say that pain from solvents would be felt fairly quickly and pain from crystal fallout would be delayed of a day or two?

I’m pretty sure some shit gear I used when I didn’t know any better gave me all three lol.

Immediate post injection pain from too much BA or BB, chemical injury.

Then later after the thin BB washed out of the oil depot in muscle crystalline crash had millions of sharp glass snowflakes cutting up muscle tissue.

All capped off by the rancid food grade oil peroxides (probably bacteria and endotoxin too) finally being noticed by the immune system setting my internals on fire for a couple days.

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I’m pretty sure some shit gear I used when I didn’t know any better gave me all three lol.

Immediate post injection pain from too much BA or BB, chemical injury.

Then later after the thin BB washed out of the oil depot in muscle crystalline crash had millions of sharp glass snowflakes cutting up muscle tissue.

All capped off by the rancid food grade oil peroxides (probably bacteria and endotoxin too) finally being noticed by the immune system setting my internals on fire for a couple days.

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I know for a fact that has happened to me too.
 
I have no idea if primal products are good are not but I can tell u 90% of the guys posting on this thread talikong about this and that has no clue what they are saying and I guarantee they don’t even look like they ever lifted a weight in their entire life - this I guarantee

You came out of a 4 year coma to say this?

Did you finally run out and have to restock (bad timing man), or did the parole board decide to give you a shot?

Most of the guys you knew are over on (SST steroidsourcetalk) now fyi.
 
I have no idea if primal products are good are not but I can tell u 90% of the guys posting on this thread talikong about this and that has no clue what they are saying and I guarantee they don’t even look like they ever lifted a weight in their entire life - this I guarantee
His stuff IS good
 
Ima just switch to TRT nation atp, drop shippers taking over this space
What did you expect? If you are using UGL's for TRT only then that's on you. If there is an option to buy a pharmaceutical manufactured by the FDA's guidelines why would you not do it? Saving under $1000/year on Test shouldn't be worth your health, bud.
 
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