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[Dial It In]

My recent blood panel was pretty rough. Hdl ldl apob, all ass. Im going to try a non statin approach first to see what happens.

Niacin
Red rice yeast
Fiber

Anyone tried this with good results?

Currently taking 175mg week TC
150mg week Deca

I did just get off 6 weeks of 40mg anavar about 3 weeks ago. But my lipids were pretty bad.

What’s your diet, honestly. You say currently running 175 and 150 but what was it before and how long? Are you eating shitty, smoking, drinking or anything? Just looking for more of te picture before you go out trying to run down statins but you still have habits. What else are you on? Are you overweight with high body fat?

 

[Damaged1]

My recent blood panel was pretty rough. Hdl ldl apob, all ass. Im going to try a non statin approach first to see what happens.

Niacin
Red rice yeast
Fiber

Anyone tried this with good results?

Currently taking 175mg week TC
150mg week Deca

I did just get off 6 weeks of 40mg anavar about 3 weeks ago. But my lipids were pretty bad.

Yes but in the end I needed resuvo and ezitembe but between 5 week and 15 week bloods I got LDL down from 146 to 74.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

If they're that bad drop the red rice yeast and just get on a statin. Red rice yeast is hit or miss anyways

Red rice yeast contains monocolin a, a fungus that shares its active ingredient with lovastatin. Hard pass on that - just get on a good statin, pitavstatin being best with rosuvastatin a second choice. Ezetimibe + statin is what I recommend for enhanced men, it should keep LDL < 55 or so if you don't eat horribly. Once LDL is in that range HDL becomes relatively unimportant, although I'd still avoid most orals as they are far worse on HDL than injectables... anavar probably the worst of the group as it strongly elevates post-heparin hepatic lipase. If taken sublingual or injected, the liver/cholesterol effects from orals are somewhat mitigated.

If you want to add an OTC supplement for lipids, citrus bergamot and fish oil are the most helpful.

 

[Dial It In]

Red rice yeast contains monocolin a, a fungus that shares its active ingredient with lovastatin. Hard pass on that - just get on a good statin, pitavstatin being best with rosuvastatin a second choice. Ezetimibe + statin is what I recommend for enhanced men, it should keep LDL < 55 or so if you don't eat horribly. Once LDL is in that range HDL becomes relatively unimportant, although I'd still avoid most orals as they are far worse on HDL than injectables... anavar probably the worst of the group as it strongly elevates post-heparin hepatic lipase. If taken sublingual or injected, the liver/cholesterol effects from orals are somewhat mitigated.

If you want to add an OTC supplement for lipids, citrus bergamot and fish oil are the most helpful.

I was looking for what else he was doing and on. Looking back at his post he’s on Reta or was. That means there might be more to this knowing how effective Reta is on lipids. Plus he was 285 30BF. He should probably drop any AAS except TRT level test I feel like and get some things lined out.

 

[Ferhev]

My recent blood panel was pretty rough. Hdl ldl apob, all ass. Im going to try a non statin approach first to see what happens.

Niacin
Red rice yeast
Fiber

Anyone tried this with good results?

Currently taking 175mg week TC
150mg week Deca

I did just get off 6 weeks of 40mg anavar about 3 weeks ago. But my lipids were pretty bad.

Ezetimibe and small dose of Rosuvastatin (5mg) dropped my ldl from 127 to 49 in a month

 

[just some dude]

you cannot be afraid of the health side of pharmaceuticals, i understand staying away from any neurotransmitter modulators but every concern with for example statins can be mitigated. depletes coq10? take coq10 and pick one that depletes it less, etc. balance!

 

[Ferhev]

you cannot be afraid of the health side of pharmaceuticals, i understand staying away from any neurotransmitter modulators but every concern with for example statins can be mitigated. depletes coq10? take coq10 and pick one that depletes it less, etc. balance!

That’s right and that’s why cq10 is part of my stack

 

[bighoss86]

My recent blood panel was pretty rough. Hdl ldl apob, all ass. Im going to try a non statin approach first to see what happens.

Niacin
Red rice yeast
Fiber

Anyone tried this with good results?

Currently taking 175mg week TC
150mg week Deca
I did just get off 6 weeks of 40mg anavar about 3 weeks ago. But my lipids were pretty bad.

What’s your diet, honestly. You say currently running 175 and 150 but what was it before and how long? Are you eating shitty, smoking, drinking or anything? Just looking for more of te picture before you go out trying to run down statins but you still have habits. What else are you on? Are you overweight with high body fat?

I dont smoke, I dont drink, 20 percent bf and dropping. High protein low carb diet. I dont eat junk at all. This was my first bad result. Could be the deca or the anavar or both idk.

 

[bighoss86]

My recent blood panel was pretty rough. Hdl ldl apob, all ass. Im going to try a non statin approach first to see what happens.

Niacin
Red rice yeast
Fiber

Anyone tried this with good results?

Currently taking 175mg week TC
150mg week Deca
I did just get off 6 weeks of 40mg anavar about 3 weeks ago. But my lipids were pretty bad.

What’s your diet, honestly. You say currently running 175 and 150 but what was it before and how long? Are you eating shitty, smoking, drinking or anything? Just looking for more of te picture before you go out trying to run down statins but you still have habits. What else are you on? Are you overweight with high body fat?

I dont smoke, I dont drink, 20 percent bf and dropping. High protein low carb diet. I dont eat junk at all. This was my first bad result. Could be the deca or the anavar or both idk.

you cannot be afraid of the health side of pharmaceuticals, i understand staying away from any neurotransmitter modulators but every concern with for example statins can be mitigated. depletes coq10? take coq10 and pick one that depletes it less, etc. balance!

I also have coq10 in the vitamin bowl

 

[bighoss86]

I was looking for what else he was doing and on. Looking back at his post he’s on Reta or was. That means there might be more to this knowing how effective Reta is on lipids. Plus he was 285 30BF. He should probably drop any AAS except TRT level test I feel like and get some things lined out.

Lipids were solid til anavar and deca has been maybe 2 or 3 weeks in. Bf is waaay lower now. Weighed in at 245 this morning. I suffered a distal bicep rupture, just trying to heal it up a bit.

 

[Ghoul]

Pulled labs on the black tops, 4iu subq & bloodwork was down about 8 or so hours later the next morning.
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One dose? Were you on rHGH before and switched? I takes a couple of weeks for IGF to stabilize.

Was Z score listed?

 

[bighoss86]

I wanna thank everyone for the replies, I dont have react privilege yet or id be all yall.

 

[ANAL_Bolic]

Ezetimibe and small dose of Rosuvastatin (5mg) dropped my ldl from 127 to 49 in a month

Thats crazy, same expeience here. 126 to 49 from Ezit and 5mg Rousa. Did you ever get your apob checked? I never checked mine yet

 

[Crx221]

One dose? Were you on rHGH before and switched? I takes a couple of weeks for IGF to stabilize.

Was Z score listed?

On GH prior, this was a tad over 3 weeks weeks on his GH I got my labs pulled. No Z-score was provided on this LabCorp test, my last Quest Diagnostics had it provided.

 

[explodingHeart]

One dose? Were you on rHGH before and switched? I takes a couple of weeks for IGF to stabilize.

Was Z score listed?

Could you explain how fast / long it takes for IGF to drop off after you stop injecting GH?

What about water weight which seems to resolve in a few days after stopping?

 

[Ferhev]

Thats crazy, same expeience here. 126 to 49 from Ezit and 5mg Rousa. Did you ever get your apob checked? I never checked mine yet

Im not sure if Apob is aliprotein B.

I did alipoprotein b a couple of months ago

 

[Dial It In]

Could you explain how fast / long it takes for IGF to drop off after you stop injecting GH?

What about water weight which seems to resolve in a few days after stopping?

Some drop after a week. Longer for it to fully stabilize and all depends on the person what that looks like just like anything else we use.

 

[Ghoul]

Could you explain how fast / long it takes for IGF to drop off after you stop injecting GH?

What about water weight which seems to resolve in a few days after stopping?

GH has a very short half life. Water retention is almost entirely caused by GH direct effect on kidney (speeds up filtration, changing mineral balance, causing water retention). So it resolves quickly. Kidney returns to normal egfr less than a day from injection.


IGF much longer half life, and along with other factors (endogenous GH recovery) means after stopping rHGH it takes, depending on the individual and dose, 1-2 weeks to return to baseline. If a very high dose was used for a long time, can be up to 4 weeks. But it’s not like testosterone that can be suppressed for a long time or even permanently reduced after TRT is stoped.

 

[Tbaz192]

Freaky fast delivery lol.
Buddy needed some extra shit he forgot on his last order. Got it real quick.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Lipids were solid til anavar and deca has been maybe 2 or 3 weeks in. Bf is waaay lower now. Weighed in at 245 this morning. I suffered a distal bicep rupture, just trying to heal it up a bit.

Anavar is among the worst for lipids, particularly if just taking it via usual oral tablet/capsule route. It's a little better sublingual w/ DMSO but most of it still ends up getting swallowed = hepatic first pass effect. I've never seen injectable anavar, with or without guaiacol. I prefer and use injectable forms of other c17-akylated AAS (superdrol, anadrol, methyltrienolone, methylstenbolone, winstrol, etc). I've found all w/o guaiacol, only one that is troublesome to use is winstrol as its a suspension and will cause PIP IM, or phlegmons subQ - but still worth it, as is very effective.

Neither test nor other AAS are good for lipid profile, but injectables (including 19-nors at reasonable doses) don't tend to screw it up too badly. Even the potent drugs ie tren, MENT, and DHB don't screw it much - at least up to 70mg/wk ea.

I'd recheck 4-6 weeks after stopping anavar and you'll likely see a nice improvement just from that. Even if so, if you plan on staying supraphysiologic ezetimibe + pitavastatin are wise to take, along with telmisartan/cinidipine if androgens raise BP, which they usually do. And retatrutide is also good for lipids and of course insulin sensitivity.

Also, one of the few good things ER⍺ does is boost HDL so keep an eye on hs-estradiol too. It is also good for insulin sensitivity. I need to keep mine in a very tight range to feel right... above reference range causes problems below the belt. ERβ has generally more beneficial effects and there are cheap supplements (like genistein, soy isoflavones) that selectively activate it. As you may know, estrogen can be tough to manage with test + deca, and labs often don't give a good picture of what's actually going on i.e. normal labs with high E2 symptoms from addition of nandrolone (which barely aromatizes itself).