Athleticfreak
Member
He’s a troll, don’t bother with him. On the same level as Korean Guy
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Primobolan and E2
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Dmiran84
Member
If you know you know
powdered_toast_man
Member
You saw me say some bullshit about a source's gear anywhere on this forum?
I'm not fucking trolling. This is going to help someone that really needs to get e2 in check for whatever reason. You assholes are potentionally endangering people.
Truth hurts, huh?
Whistles77
Member
I've crashed my e2 with Primo once. It was probably the most miserable few weeks of my life. To be told that primo didn't lower my e2 would have not have helped me when it is quite obvious that Primo was the cause, and low e2 was the affect. I think introducing doubt about that possibility might be potentially endangering people.
Maybe i've missed the nuance in this argument. I don't believe Primo is an AI or a SERM (which some people state) and i accept that the mechanisms that lower e2 are different, but it clearly does lower e2 in many people. Surely there's no doubt about that? Right?
powdered_toast_man
Member
There is doubt about that. Yes. Even if I believe you believe you crashed your e2, I don't believe you crashed your e2 via primo.
Taking AI will always reduce conversion of test to e2. Taking nolva will always block activity at the receptor level.
What does primo always do? No one here will here will even confidently say primo always modulates e2, much less how.
Whistles77
Member
So........because i don't understand the mechanism behind primo lowering e2, then primo didn't lower my e2? I think you might be conflating what primo does, against AAS/Meso users' ability to explain the biological process (which we are mostly not educated to do). The two are quite orthogonal and the lack of explanation doesn't negate real exeriences.
Personally, i don't believe that my e2 suddenly dropped to zero the first time i took primo, when it had never happened before. Sure correllation doesn't imply causation, but at some point i also don't think some other magic happened that im unaware of that measurably dropped my e2.
I think the doubt might be limited to you, my friend. That's OK. You're allowed to believe what you want to believe. I stand in the camp of play careful with Primo because fucking your e2 will make you miserable.
Hope you don't think that makes me an asshole endangering people.
Ateam2023
New Member
How can you say that it doesn't work to help lower E2 when there's several people that say that it does ? (Through BLOODWORK no less) Primo doesn't aromatize to estrogen, but can functionally lower estrogenic activity for many users, maybe it doesn't work for you, that's not to say it doesn't work for somebody else, everybody responds differently to certain things for you to outright say that it doesn't is just stupidity at its finest, you're always on here having some kind of confrontation with somebody, I think you have a closed mind. Why don't you you STFU
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AlexDavis43
Member
that doesn't seem to far off from what the toast man said
primo might lower E2 for some people but not others
[emphasis/bold added is mine, for context]
dcfreak
Member
Everyone is different. Only taking 500 test my estrogen was 58. Added 300 Primo and it was 12.
Not sure how this is even a debate.
Not sure how this is even a debate.
oldage
Member
Rage bait
Whistles77
Member
I'm not convinced the emphasis on "always" is important. He literally just told me he didn't believe primo crashed my e2.
TheDuderino85
New Member
Primo absolutely lowers e2 in MOST people, not all. There's always exceptions to everything but this is the general consensus.
Also. I have labwork to prove it, as I love Primo with Test, not MPMD
oldage
Member
What u believe to be true other people dont need to believe. Especially when there is plenty of evidence supporting these compounds not only lower E2 but fundamentally change people's biological response to testosterone and permanently lowering E2 production with long term use. Imagine that.
But the concern u are claiming to have for anyone starting to use gear should be realized. If people are new and are having issues with E2, AI's are the most proven and effective way to immediately lower it. But they still have to figure out how much to use, how often, and how it effects them individually. There is a learning curve to it all. And guess what, those "expensive" blood tests are the best way we have to collect data points to adjust these medications in a healthy and timely manner.
Of course this is also what you would do with Primo or EQ. But for those new guys you will want to know how much AI to take if you have to bail on the EQ or Primo.
#harmreduction #ragebait #unc
TheDuderino85
New Member
My man. This was the era I got into gear, circa late 2000, early 2010. Elite fitness message boards lol.
The good ol days man.
Ateam2023
New Member
Surrre ,,,, well can't get them all right
powdered_toast_man
Member
Because all 10 of you might have zero ability to account for all variables that might contribute to your bloodwork being what it is.
Again, it's not that you can't describe the mechanism. You yourself won't even state that it lowers e2 reliably in most people (using X dose of drugs 1, 2, and 3 and who knows what else, for t length of time, none the less). Your own confidence in your assertion is flimsy and any suggestion that this happens from you should probably be followed up with something like "but what the hell do I know?"
Ateam2023
New Member
Agreed- lots of variables. "That's why we look at patterns and data, not disclaimers".
powdered_toast_man
Member
enough w this candace owens shit already. just go ahead and start the presentation of evidence if you're certain you have this nailed down.
