Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life

[CyniQ]

I'm guessing that most of you guys are Pro-Lifers. But I imagine that some of you think there should be drive thru abortion clinics on every corner. To reduce the number of bastard offspring sapping your funds, no doubt.

I can't think of a single legitimate arguement for "choice". Anyone want to sound off on this one?

 

[tonyton]

I'm guessing that most of you guys are Pro-Lifers. But I imagine that some of you think there should be drive thru abortion clinics on every corner. To reduce the number of bastard offspring sapping your funds, no doubt.

I can't think of a single legitimate arguement for "choice". Anyone want to sound off on this one?

I am pro choice..I am a very spiritual person and I was involved in an abortion. I was 20 yo and I knocked up this girl (hot as hell) from LI. I have never thought it was a bad decison

 

[CyniQ]

I am pro choice..I am a very spiritual person and I was involved in an abortion. I was 20 yo and I knocked up this girl (hot as hell) from LI. I have never thought it was a bad decison

I was 19. Knocked up this girl (hot as hell). I married her, had a son, he's about to be 8. Look's just like me.

 

[Grizzly]

If you can come up with a rational argument for pro-life, I'll listen...and then tear it apart. Again, notice how I said "rational". The only arguments ever advanced for the case of pro-life is that "we can't play god", "the bible says no", "Jesus lvoes us all" and other nauseating horse shit that has not place in a rational debate.

 

[CyniQ]

If you can come up with a rational argument for pro-life, I'll listen...and then tear it apart. Again, notice how I said "rational". The only arguments ever advanced for the case of pro-life is that "we can't play god", "the bible says no", "Jesus lvoes us all" and other nauseating horse shit that has not place in a rational debate.

A civilized society is characterized by how it treats the defenseless is it not? Besides, "tearing apart" someone elses position is easy. Have you none of your own?

 

[roadkill]

ok....

your wife is raped and knocked up by a real maggot of a human being....are you going to force her to carry this offspring to term cuz of your beliefs or do what's best for her. depends on the cicumstances doesen't it?

 

[CyniQ]

your wife is raped and knocked up by a real maggot of a human being....are you going to force her to carry this offspring to term cuz of your beliefs or do what's best for her. depends on the cicumstances doesen't it?

That is definitely a horrible situation that I hope none of us ever has to deal with. But there is an old saying... Two wrongs don't make a right. Even in that situation, it's still the destruction of innocence.

 

[Grizzly]

A civilized society is characterized by how it treats the defenseless is it not? Besides, "tearing apart" someone elses position is easy. Have you none of your own?

I only have a moment, but, as is typical, you're attributing human characteristics to a fetus. Don't you dare call it a baby! Fetii are not members of society, thus they fall outside of that characterization with which I'm not sure I agree anyhow.

Let's see if I can shoot this out right quick. Let's say there are these spores that float around in the air. If they get in through your open window, then they grow into mushrooms in your carpeting. This is obviously not what you want at all. So, you put screens in your windows to prevent these spores from entering your house. (that's an analogy for wearing a condom) If a spore were to somehow manage to get through your defenses, are you now beholden to let that spore grow?

That's my position.

 

[joeycrabcakes]

spores=fetus and mushrooms=babies??? wow, some analogy, grizz. This could be a very heated debate. To say there are NO arguments to go either way is narrow-minded. There are very reasonable well thought out arguments for both sides of the spectrum. Tons of different scenarios to consider, like roadkills'.

 

[Grizzly]

I didn't say there weren't any. I just said that all people ever do is say either A) You're killing a BABY(which it's not) or B) God says you can't do that.

Both are emotional appeals that are not actual arguments.

edit- no spores are semen, the carpet is the uterus and the mushrooms are the fetus/ii

When I come back later, I'll throw out the violinist analogy. Maybe, I don't know if I feel like it. For the record, I didn't make up either one, although I wish I had.

 

[tonyton]

I was 19. Knocked up this girl (hot as hell). I married her, had a son, he's about to be 8. Look's just like me.

thanks..now I feel like shit

 

[Bob Smith]

Grizz, in your mind, is there any point that aborting a fetus would be considered murder? 3 months, 5 months, 8 months? Or as long as its still in the womb, is it ok to kill it?

CyniQ, youre a good man.

 

[Bob Smith]

your wife is raped and knocked up by a real maggot of a human being....are you going to force her to carry this offspring to term cuz of your beliefs or do what's best for her. depends on the cicumstances doesen't it?

My wife and I talked about this recently. Essentially we both argreed that she would carry it to term and then give it up for adoption.

 

[Grizzly]

Grizz, in your mind, is there any point that aborting a fetus would be considered murder? 3 months, 5 months, 8 months? Or as long as its still in the womb, is it ok to kill it?

CyniQ, youre a good man.

Murder? No. Is there a point at which I would be disinclined to do so? Possibly, however, I haven't given it much thought because I would not dick around long enough to need a late term abortion. I'd have the matter remedied the second I could get 500 bucks together.

 

[Bob Smith]

So its still ok to abort a viable fetus that is 8 months old?

 

[Grizzly]

The fetus is almost the exact same thing as a "vegetable". The only difference between the brain dead human who contributes nothing and knows nothing is that the "vegetable" has no potential. The fetus, on the other hand, has nothing but potential.

A fetus is simply a potential human being and all that entails. However, like they say, that which you do not know can not hurt you.

"How would you like it if your mother would have aborted you Mr. Mean Grizzly?" I wouldn't ever know the difference.

 

[Grizzly]

Whoops, the above post is not an answer to your most recent post, Bob. It was to expound upon my other post

 

[Grizzly]

So its still ok to abort a viable fetus that is 8 months old?

Viability brings in a whole other question. Personally, I really don't see any logical scenario in which there should need to be a late term abortion. Well, maybe if someone was in a coma and was raped by the orderly and then she woke up after 8 months. Like I said, there's no real scenario.

 

[Bob Smith]

Viability brings in a whole other question. Personally, I really don't see any logical scenario in which there should need to be a late term abortion. Well, maybe if someone was in a coma and was raped by the orderly and then she woke up after 8 months. Like I said, there's no real scenario.

As you know, I am against abortion. But if youre for abortion and are going to get one, then get it done ASAP, dont wait. But that doesnt really answer the question. Lets say the chick took a REALLY long time to make up her mind. Is aborting a viable fetus murder?

 

[Grizzly]

No, not murder. I'm still trying to work out the bugs in my theory that consciousness or (damnit, I can't think of the word! grrr) is that which determines a humanoid to be a human.

Again, I'll have to say that a fetus is the equivalent of a "vegetable". If you're for euthanasia, then I don't see how one could argue against abortion, viable or not. Unless, of course, you want to argue on the premise of Potential. But then I would argue that we should all be thrown in prison for life terms because all of us has the potential to murder someone.